PLA Strike Strategies in Westpac HIC

AndrewS

Brigadier
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I've read some excellent posts by the experts on this forum and jotted down some of my own thoughts. I hope to receive some constructive criticism.

1. The Root Cause of Sino-American Conflict

There is a narrative known as the Thucydides Trap, used to spread rumors that China seeks to disrupt peace in the Asia-Pacific region and invade Taiwan. Specifically, it suggests that when a challenger rises to threaten the status of an incumbent power, the two nations become more likely to engage in direct military conflict. However, in reality, the United States is the current challenger to the international order, while China is the incumbent power.

The peaceful, free-trade, globalized world order that existed from the end of the Cold War until the mid-2010s. China has no reason to actively undermine its own interests by destroying an international order from which it has gained the most benefits. China will prevail over the United States within this very order that America itself established. Therefore, the rational grand strategy for the United States is to alter the previous world order of peace, free trade, and globalization, using military means to counterbalance China's development. China, with no other choice, must also employ military means to defend peace and an international order favorable to itself.

2. Paths to Victory for China and the United States

I contend that China's path to victory (merely one possibility, not a guarantee of capability) lies in preventing the United States and its allies from penetrating the Second Island Chain, the South China Sea, and Central Asia. China can leverage its surplus industrial capacity to deplete allies' military assets—which are difficult to replenish—through protracted warfare, while expanding its area of denial through ground occupation. This strategy aims to compensate for tactical disadvantages with strategic superiority.

America's path to victory (similarly) involves penetrating these regions as deeply as possible. By disrupting raw material supply chains and conducting strategic bombing campaigns, the United States aims to reduce China's production capacity below its own level. This strategy seeks to reverse strategic disadvantages through a series of tactical victories.

The core debate centers on the contest between China's denial capabilities and allied invasion capabilities.

I broadly agree, but wish to add the following points:

a. U.S. production capacity is underestimated. If the U.S. were to forcibly requisition EU production capacity and manpower, these entities lack both the political will and defensive capabilities to resist. As long as vassal states lack the capacity to confront their overlords, disrupting ties with them incurs no net loss. A rational U.S. has every reason to pursue this approach—and indeed has already begun doing so. Under such circumstances, production capacity between the two sides may converge toward greater parity.

b. Tactical victories can compensate for strategic disadvantages. Early in WWII, Allied production capacity and troop strength vastly exceeded Germany's, yet Germany ultimately conquered Europe, significantly offsetting its resource and manpower shortfalls. If the U.S. launches a decisive surprise attack against China's land, sea, space, financial systems, and networks, it could severely weaken China's anti-access capabilities and military assets. This would facilitate U.S. blockade and strategic bombing campaigns against China, thereby undermining America's own production capacity advantage. A decisive surprise attack at war's outset would be catastrophic for China.

3. Timelines and Preparations Based on Paths to Victory

Militarily, Taiwan is not the root cause of conflict in the Western Pacific—merely the trigger. The fundamental cause lies in differing world order perceptions: America's political goal is maintaining unipolar hegemony, while China's is development.

Consider a model where East Asia's relative military strength against the U.S. grows over time. Define:

D = Time of conflict onset

Phase 1 = China lacks first island chain denial capability against the U.S. (Before mid-2010s)

Phase 2 = China achieves reliable first island chain denial but lacks second island chain capability.

Phase 3 = China achieves reliable second island chain denial but lacks 2.5 island chain capability.

Phase 4 = China reliably denies the U.S. within the 2.5th island chain but still lacks the capability to deny the U.S. in the 3rd island chain.

Phase 5 = China's naval power surpasses the U.S. on the high seas.

My personal assessment is that China is in the late Phase 2 or early Phase 3. Given that Dongda's relative military strength against the U.S. increases over time, the rational approach is to indefinitely delay war until the latest possible phase—until its military strength reaches its peak or achieves Phase 5.

America's “rational” approach is to provoke conflict with China as early as possible. However, the U.S. is not yet prepared for war and does not wish to engage directly. Before it is ready, America needs to weaken China through two means—or prepare for conflict:

Weaken China through hard power: Suppose China's military strength grows at a rate v0 relative to the United States. A rational strategy would be to employ non-war military actions, organize allies, and deteriorate China's military environment—offset China's military progress at a rate v1 greater than v0.

Weaken China through soft power (order): Shape an unstable Asia-Pacific order.

The U.S. can act on hard power to worsen China's military environment. Since China's military strength is insufficient to deter the U.S., China must intervene directly, using force to defend peace. The U.S. can then accuse China of undermining Asia-Pacific peace, amplify regional instability narratives, and weaken China through soft power. This cycle repeats.

For example, the Philippines, at U.S. urging, violates China's sovereignty. China finds itself unable to persuade them to cease such actions and must resort to non-war military means to uphold its rights (hard power). The U.S. and Philippines then hype tensions in the South China Sea, undermining the existing order of peace and development (order). Some Southeast Asian nations might then be swayed by this narrative, permitting the U.S. to establish more military bases and provoking increased maritime law enforcement clashes with China (hard power). Consequently, Southeast Asia's stability would further deteriorate (order).

The sovereignty, law enforcement, and diplomatic battles surrounding Taiwan follow a similar pattern.

China must enhance its capacity to counter U.S. non-war military operations. Once China achieves this, and the U.S. realizes that non-war military means cannot contain China—that China's military strength will irreversibly rise relative to its own—the U.S. may become less resistant to war. If they don't, that's even better, as it means China can delay further and accumulate strength.

4. The Logic of the Trigger
Personally, I believe it may resemble World War I. Facing a rising Russia, Germany perceived time as working against them. They judged that launching war now still offered a chance of victory, while further delay would inevitably disadvantage them. They did not desire war, but they desired peace even less. Though they did not actively provoke the conflict, they did not resist it either. In the crisis, they chose a hardline response, even knowing it essentially meant war.

In a specific crisis—such as a maritime law enforcement clash or the downing of a government official's aircraft—the United States could very well adopt a similar stance. There would undoubtedly be a period of diplomatic maneuvering, but both sides would simultaneously engage in mobilization and preparations for war. When hostilities commence, each side would launch surprise attacks while also being prepared to defend against the other's surprise assault.

A number of points:

1. I think it is more accurate to say that the US is abandoning the existing order that it created. And that it would be in China's interest to maintain a lot of this order, and therefore inherit leadership

2. The EU is too fractured to be easily added to the US

3. I'd say we're definitely in Phase 2. Phase 3 is another 5-8 years away. And as long as China doesn't collapse, I think Phase 5 is 80% likely to happen in the decades ahead.

4. In the early days of WW2, the "allies" only had a ~60%? advantage, as per Paul Kennedy. But Germany could mobilise and deploy its power faster.

5. China's strategy is primarily economic. The military is more of an enabler and a guarantee/hedge

6. A surprise US attack on China isn't feasible, because it requires a large number of forces to be deployed to the Western Pacific which would be very visible. Plus this would require prior coordination with Japan, which would view such a move with alarm.
 

gelgoog

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U.S. production capacity is underestimated. If the U.S. were to forcibly requisition EU production capacity and manpower, these entities lack both the political will and defensive capabilities to resist.
The thing is the US is draining the EU in the process. In theory the US + EU economies are about the size of China. In practice their share of global output vs China is shrinking. Their industrial output is already much smaller, only services make the Western block GDP appear bigger. Which will be useless in a hard conflict.

China can also just invade South Korea and Japan in case of conflict. Thus getting similar industrial output than the US will get with the EU. South Korea and Japan's industries are larger than France, Germany, UK put together.

As long as vassal states lack the capacity to confront their overlords, disrupting ties with them incurs no net loss. A rational U.S. has every reason to pursue this approach—and indeed has already begun doing so. Under such circumstances, production capacity between the two sides may converge toward greater parity.
You do not see the contradictions in your argument. The vassals lack the capability to confront the US because they are being kept down. This means they will never reach the output of a unified economy like China. For similar reasons the Axis was never able to conquer the Soviet Union despite having much larger population and resources. It was all suboptimally run and managed. Germany never gave its best technology to its allies until it had basically lost the war.

Early in WWII, Allied production capacity and troop strength vastly exceeded Germany's, yet Germany ultimately conquered Europe, significantly offsetting its resource and manpower shortfalls. If the U.S. launches a decisive surprise attack against China's land, sea, space, financial systems, and networks, it could severely weaken China's anti-access capabilities and military assets.
Of these only the blockade is likely to work.
But China can then just plug into the EEUU resources, both Russia and Central Asia, and send its own navy outward.

This would facilitate U.S. blockade and strategic bombing campaigns against China, thereby undermining America's own production capacity advantage. A decisive surprise attack at war's outset would be catastrophic for China.
Not really. If the US bombs China in that way, the Chinese have the world's largest subway network. It is hardened against bombing. Their ballistic missiles would also be able to do a retaliatory and crippling second strike.
 

vincent

Grumpy Old Man
Staff member
Moderator - World Affairs
China can also just invade South Korea and Japan in case of conflict. Thus getting similar industrial output than the US will get with the EU. South Korea and Japan's industries are larger than France, Germany, UK put together.
No need. The cost of invasion is too high and maintaining control is even higher. Just bomb all the oil/gas depots, power generation stations, and refineries to deny their industrial capacities to the US.
Of these only the blockade is likely to work.
But China can then just plug into the EEUU resources, both Russia and Central Asia, and send its own navy outward.
US can try blockade but China can send out large fleets to Guam, then Hawaii to force battles.
Not really. If the US bombs China in that way, the Chinese have the world's largest subway network. It is hardened against bombing. Their ballistic missiles would also be able to do a retaliatory and crippling second strike.
Strategic bombing with conventional bombs? With what platform? From which bases? Why does he thinks the bombers can survive the PLA’s IADS?
Nuclear? China will build more than 1000 warheads with associated delivery vehicles.
 

DeltaGreen

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A surprise US attack on China isn't feasible, because it requires a large number of forces to be deployed to the Western Pacific which would be very visible. Plus this would require prior coordination with Japan, which would view such a move with alarm.
I speculate that the United States could withdraw forces from Europe and the Middle East in the future, increasing its military presence in the Indo-Pacific. It could deploy half of its aircraft carriers (most of its operational carriers) to South Asia, Guam, Australia, and Pearl Harbor. Simultaneously, it could station sufficient single-use lethal weapons—akin to those of the Rocket Force—in Japan and Okinawa, abandoning the defense of forward bases.

This does not mean that implementing these measures would guarantee a successful surprise attack by the United States. However, it would at least create the conditions for the United States to launch such an operation.
Strategic bombing with conventional bombs? With what platform? From which bases? Why does he thinks the bombers can survive the PLA’s IADS?
Nuclear? China will build more than 1000 warheads with associated delivery vehicles.
I agree this is difficult, but we may still have to consider a worse-case scenario.


Imagine a scenario like this — in 2031, China's J-36 has not yet entered service, the United States has 20 B-21s, there are five operational aircraft carriers in the Asia–Pacific, some form of Rocket Force has been deployed to forward bases, and the U.S. holds an advantage in space warfare. The United States then launches a strike against China's satellites; their Rocket Force would hit China's air defense systems; subsequently, B-21s taking off from Australia, escorted by fighters, would strike China's surface fleet, carrier-building yards, and other important coastal assets.


If this successful strike reduces China's A2/AD envelope to within 1,000 km of the coastline, then subsequent strategic bombing of China's coastal regions and shipyards would become possible.
 

AndrewS

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I speculate that the United States could withdraw forces from Europe and the Middle East in the future, increasing its military presence in the Indo-Pacific. It could deploy half of its aircraft carriers (most of its operational carriers) to South Asia, Guam, Australia, and Pearl Harbor. Simultaneously, it could station sufficient single-use lethal weapons—akin to those of the Rocket Force—in Japan and Okinawa, abandoning the defense of forward bases.

This does not mean that implementing these measures would guarantee a successful surprise attack by the United States. However, it would at least create the conditions for the United States to launch such an operation.

I agree this is difficult, but we may still have to consider a worse-case scenario.

The US only has 2 carriers deployed at any time. Each is the equivalent of just 2 airbases on land.

Remember the role of the Chinese Rocket Force. Short-notice attacks on critical targets such as airbases and carriers, with expensive munitions. Then follow up attacks from other sources using cheaper munitions. That results in an effective blockade. This works because there are a very limited number of opposing airbases and carriers in the Western Pacific, and resupply has to come from across the Pacific Ocean.

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If the US wanted to launch an effective surprise against China, well, there are 150+ airbases in mainland China, many of which are hardened.

My guess is that the US would need the equivalent of at least 4 Chinese Rocket Forces. So call it 500K personal, extrapolated from the Chinese numbers. Where are they going to get the personnel from? How much will this cost? Where will they be located? I don't see Japan welcoming 500K American soldiers in peacetime.

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But let's assume the US overcomes this challenge, and a first strike is successful against China.

In terms of deployed aircraft available in the Western Pacific, you still have a lot more Chinese aircraft, which are arguably more advanced.

Airbases can be regenerated from intact airbases and aircraft from the untouched interior of China.
Resupply comes from local factories.

So the US would have to redeploy literally the entire Air Force to the Western Pacific, which takes time.


Imagine a scenario like this — in 2031, China's J-36 has not yet entered service, the United States has 20 B-21s, there are five operational aircraft carriers in the Asia–Pacific, some form of Rocket Force has been deployed to forward bases, and the U.S. holds an advantage in space warfare. The United States then launches a strike against China's satellites; their Rocket Force would hit China's air defense systems; subsequently, B-21s taking off from Australia, escorted by fighters, would strike China's surface fleet, carrier-building yards, and other important coastal assets.


If this successful strike reduces China's A2/AD envelope to within 1,000 km of the coastline, then subsequent strategic bombing of China's coastal regions and shipyards would become possible.

Again, the US only has 2 carriers deployed at any time. If there are 5 American carriers operating in the Western Pacific, that is an exceptional situation and China will know.

In response, we'd likely see the entire Chinese Air Force, Navy and Rocket Force deployed in the field on a wartime footing, so a US attack won't be a surprise.
 

vincent

Grumpy Old Man
Staff member
Moderator - World Affairs
I speculate that the United States could withdraw forces from Europe and the Middle East in the future, increasing its military presence in the Indo-Pacific. It could deploy half of its aircraft carriers (most of its operational carriers) to South Asia, Guam, Australia, and Pearl Harbor. Simultaneously, it could station sufficient single-use lethal weapons—akin to those of the Rocket Force—in Japan and Okinawa, abandoning the defense of forward bases.
If US military redeploys majority of its forces to the Western Pacific, you think PLA will continue its peace time posture? If you are the CMC Chairman, will you allow that to happen?
Imagine a scenario like this — in 2031, China's J-36 has not yet entered service, the United States has 20 B-21s, there are five operational aircraft carriers in the Asia–Pacific, some form of Rocket Force has been deployed to forward bases, and the U.S. holds an advantage in space warfare. The United States then launches a strike against China's satellites; their Rocket Force would hit China's air defense systems; subsequently, B-21s taking off from Australia, escorted by fighters, would strike China's surface fleet, carrier-building yards, and other important coastal assets.
Humour me, how many intermediate range ballistic missiles can the US military deploy to the First Island Chain and Guam? How many do you think is needed to get through PLA’s IADS? How much time you think PLA will need to bring backup systems online (keep in mind majority of PLA ground based SAM are mobile)
How many fighters can accompany the B21s from Australia (considering the amount of tankers are needed) and how effective are they when facing combined forces of KJ-500, J-16D, J-20, J-16 and J-35?
 
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