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But how long can she last? 6 months? Japan is becoming almost irrelevant compared to China's rise. Talking about China's rise, below is Justin Yifu Lin's take. Lin was the former Senior Vice President and Chief Economist of the World Bank. The article addresses the following 3 questions:

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. He was born in Taiwan and was a captain in the ROC army. While stationed on Kinmen island in 1979, he swam over to the mainland to defect to the PRC. He then earned a PhD in economics from the University of Chicago, became a professor at Peking University, and served a term as the chief economist of the World Bank.
 
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vincent

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Excuse me, I'm just curious, "Did you live on Cybertron before?"

Do you think this year's war between India and Pakistan was an act focused on economic development?
A country with one of the lowest per capita GDPs and one of the lowest hunger rates, spending tens of billions of dollars on foreign military equipment without facing any apparent threat of external invasion, do you still think it's focused on economic development?
One day they say they want to wipe Pakistan off the face of the earth, and the next day they're stationing troops in Sri Lanka. What a model of peace!
You mean “highest”?
 

resistance

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I've been saying for decades that the worst thing that could happen is for China to become a democracy and for the Chinese chauvinists to gain a measure of power. That China might actually do some of the things that the West is constantly fearmongering about.
Nationalism or chauvanism is good for nation when you are really strong enough. It's also nationalism that bring china together today.

Many people are still writing about some imaginary conflicts in South Asia that do not exist in reality. Today’s South Asia outside of islamic dominated regions are just obsessed with economic growth.

Guys it‘s honestly tiring to write the same things over and over again. Please familiarize yourself with the region you are talking about and do some bare minimum research instead of relying on 30 seconds Instagram/Tik Tok reels and memes to talk about geopolitics.

It‘s also crucial to take a break from the internet, talk to young educated people from South Asia and ask them about what they want, how they see things etc. You would have a much better understanding of the region outside of terminally online chest thumping nationalists and how the region would look going forward.
You know what, with climate change there won't ever be peace nor friendship between china and India. China will need water from Himalayan to dry parts of Xinjiang and northwestern china which will offset china demographics long terms.
China cloud also made water buying deals from Nepal if water from the project isn't enough.
 

horse

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I'm not interested in Gen Z style debates. Throwing around words like "gaslighting" doesn't mean you have an argument. My point is clear: if China decides on adventurism then it's in for a tough time and it will lose the good will it has spent time building. It is as simple and incontestable as that.

I don't think so.

This is how it is going to go down, as they use to say on the streets.

It will happen old school style. First isolation, then attack. If required.

The if required part probably is the key part. But first, isolation of the would be enemy is the number one priority.

So under those conditions, an isolated enemy, that offends China, then the PLA and military will throw its weight around.

Under different circumstances, it will not happen.
 

Chevalier

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History has a long list of no longer existent groups who mistakes China being peaceful for China being pacifist. China doesn't attack first but China also never forgive. Revenge no matter how long the wait is held as core principle in Chinese culture, and when China takes revenge it tend to be total and merciless.
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Chinese culture is actually very old school, akin to the paterfamilias vendettas of Ancient Rome. The right of vengeance is lauded still in Chinese society compared to the slave morality of western values which inculcates a slave mindset amongst its people to maintain its feudal power structure.


whether true or not, this is realpolitik; as real as soviets dismantling factories in Manchuria to send to Russia.
 

GulfLander

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Chinese culture is actually very old school, akin to the paterfamilias vendettas of Ancient Rome. The right of vengeance is lauded still in Chinese society compared to the slave morality of western values which inculcates a slave mindset amongst its people to maintain its feudal power structure.


whether true or not, this is realpolitik; as real as soviets dismantling factories in Manchuria to send to Russia.
Are they trying to wegde the 2?
 

4Tran

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Nationalism or chauvanism is good for nation when you are really strong enough. It's also nationalism that bring china together today.
Chauvinism is always a bad idea. It advocates for overreach, and fosters unhealthy attitudes. Hell, it's basically the disease that infected the Americans, and I'd much rather it doesn't happen to China.

Are they trying to wegde the 2?
It feels like there's been a concerted effort to do that but it's pretty useless. Russia absolutely needs China if they want to continue fighting Ukraine, and China is way better off with a strong Russia kicking around. It almost feels like they're just saying things that their audience wants to hear again.
 

TPenglake

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There are nationalists everywhere. The difference is that in China, the CPC reins them in. Whereas in the West those nationalists are effectively encouraged by their government to pillage and plunder.
Case in point, the debacle over the K-Visa. It's not even a "smart policy" ala 4d chess move, its just a pure logical reaction to America closing its doors off to skilled immigration that even Canada and the EU are exploiting. And it's a policy that will be pursued regardless of how much scaremongering ultranationalists peddle online about Beijing becoming 50% Indian in the future and Tiannamen Square becoming a giant Friday night Bhangra dance floor. (Although Douyin vids of public space dance offs between Indian expats and Chinese aunties sounds kinda lit, not going to lie lol)
 
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