Shenyang next gen combat aircraft thread

[AndrewJ]

I prefer this as an authorized "leak". China wants to humiliate US with this image. The "leak" timing is so perfect.

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[subotai1]

I'm incline to believe as usually top secret projects like these should be flown at night and preferably out of densely population areas. Shielding not just from the civilian pop. but from satellites etc.
For ex. The B2, F117 etc flown for years before anyone ever saw it.
So it's either done or purpose or SAC was just totally careless and incompetent from shielding this project better.

Nothing about this is an accident. SAC and China has been down this road many times and knew that the minute they flew from there, it would leak. They just picked a time where development was far enough ahead that it would not impact what their adversaries would learn.

My personal opinion is they waited for a statement that the US F-47 was being built. At that point the US has already committed to a path where it would be hard for them to deviate and add design changes.

 

[cdcywlau]

A curved screen perhaps in the cockpit? A great fan service for the nerds

There is a relating video leaked on Weibo.

 

[supersnoop]

The fact that such straightforward measures weren't used, even after almost identical earlier leaks, makes it hard to believe that these leaks aren't either allowed or at the very least tolerated.

It must be the latter IMO. As we know there are the three phases of Chinese military development Fully secret, Open secret, and formally introduced. Most likely when it is taxiing on that runway it is well into the open secret phase.

There was a similar situation with the WS-15 finalization where the small celebration outdoors with banners and such was caught on camera. You don't have an outdoor party and create banners if things are meant to be top secret.

 

[Mearex]

Are these vectoring flaps/paddles? 3D exhaust direction in a 2D/flat package?
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Even if this image is AI-enhanced, you can also see the "yaw paddles" in the "original" photo .

interesting, I thought they were gonna go with fluidic TVC for yaw, but any form of yaw TVC is excellent since obviously without a tail you'll need other ways to control yaw

 

[another505]

Each aircraft would likely have different respective emphasis on degree of command+control and EW, situational awareness, drone control demands.
Even assuming that the onboard "processing" is the same and they have the same datalinks (though sensor size, sensor variety, weapons bays/variety are of course going to be different not to mention range and endurance etc), the rate limiting step for the degree of those aforementioned capabilities will be the number of humans in the cockpit.


The question is whether it makes sense for a given airframe to add a second human or not (and depending on the rest of the aircraft's role, design, characteristics, it might not make sense to).

Would it be too sci fi if future AWACS can do remote drone control support to JXDS in longer range missions?

I imagine you dont need to manually control all the drones since not all of them will be in combat simultaneously. Most can run preprogrammed mission.

 

[phrozenflame]

Would it be too sci fi if future AWACS can do remote drone control support to JXDS in longer range missions?

I imagine you dont need to manually control all the drones since not all of them will be in combat simultaneously. Most can run preprogrammed mission.

Present AWACS can guide BVRs already. Dont think Drones would be an issue. IMO can be done with software upgrades, limited by hardware. The newer AWACS would definitely have this baked in, software and hardware wise.

 

[pkj]

One other thing I noticed is that there are luneburg lenses mounted both on the dorsal and ventral parts of the fuselage.

The begs the question of why j-20 and J-35 don't have luneburg lense mounted on their dorsal fuselage?

 

[iewgnem]

I prefer this as an authorized "leak". China wants to humiliate US with this image. The "leak" timing is so perfect.

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The funniest part about F-47 flying in 2028 is you know it's not that they actually plans on flying in 2028, or that they're able to fly in 2028, it's because 2028 is the end of Trump's 2nd term

 

[plawolf]

This two photos made my day.

I wonder if we can ever get a more up close look of the intake. What is that btw? I have never seen anything like that on a stealth aircraft IIRC.

Give where the testing program is now, I'd be shocked if it doesn't enter service before J-36.

Looks extremely stealthy btw.


I just wouldn't worry about sensor installations at this point.

Looks like a giant DSI, with the underside of the fuselage as the bump.