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[lych470]

Yeahhh, every great powers in the past experienced that cycle, up and down, Chinese dynasties are a very good example.

US used to be very dominant in STEM, but see now, the majority of the brightest young generation would choose lawyers and MBA or investment bakers, etc

The unique fact that higher education in the US costs an arm and a leg means that you'd have to have a high paying job upon graduation to have immediate returns on investment.

Higher education in China doesn't cost nearly as much.

Not to mention the US got a huge boost in its STEM fields by being able to poach all the good talents from Europe post WWII. Now, not so much.

 

[iewgnem]

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“What’s illegal are the drugs that were on the boat, and the drugs that are being sent into our country, and the fact that 300 million people died last year from drugs, that’s what’s illegal,” Trump said.

I mean, have you ever seen more than 30 million Americans at the same place?
Maybe every time you go to the US they construct an elaborate Potemkin village.

 

[RoastGooseHKer]

this is how I understand it. A large proportion of Shanghai natives took their 拆迁 relocation money and left the country, if not the whole family, then at least a large branch of the family. They invest it in western financial markets and don't have to work much. They also spread tons of propaganda about China and appear extremely out of touch to the majority because their complaints generally stem from "Outside poors and the regime catering to them have ruined Shanghai, why can't it just be us and the whites again"

The "new" Shanghai residents are people from outside the city, a large portion from Jiangsu, Zhejiang, Anhui, Jiangxi, etc. and are not invested in a Shanghai local identity. They're the ones who actually do work and are much more normal.

Shanghai's current western-leaning comes from benefiting greatly from foreign investment during the opening up in the 90s. It did lead to the city's incredible growth over the last 30 years. The thing with KMT is because that recent wave of opening up somewhat resemble KMT rule in terms of attracting foreign money. It probably won't change until US hegemony falls.

Speaking as a Shanghainese

To be fair, we are talking about a relatively small number Shanghainese elites (tens and thousands within a city of 30 million) who happily serve their white masters. The reason these Shanghainese white worshipping elites stand out is because they own enormous wealth is a result of trading with western companies (as Tenstar pointed out). Such material benefits from west combined with their innate worshipping of the West and anti-communism (probably as a result of memories of Cultural Revolution) likely caused them to become the white worshippers they are today. Yet I totally understand it is unreasonable to say most Shanghainese are white worshippers. There are 30 million Shanghainese, and most are just ordinary Chinese citizens like the rest of the country. Unlike HK, Shanghai also contributes its tax incomes to subsidise the rest of the country, so the rest of China actually owns patriotic Shanghainese taxpayers (excluding those who move their assets to overseas tax havens) a big Thank You. In fact, I would argue that there are many more white worshippers in HK than in Shanghai. It is just that the white worshippers in Shanghai stand out due to their outsized wealth, influence, and ability to translate their wealth into much louder voice among China’s liberals; and thus, having an outsized ability to shape political narratives.

Now, maybe we can see some similarities between MAGA’s hatred toward Wall Street Globalists and ordinary working class Chinese’s disdain toward these white worshipping Shanghainese elites. Both elites try to evade tax, whilst seeking dominant political voice within their own countries. Both benefitted from globalisation by making themselves richer, whilst marginalising their own blue collar countrymen.

 

[Tomboy]

To be fair, we are talking about a relatively small number Shanghainese elites (tens and thousands within a city of 30 million) who happily serve their white masters.

It ain't just Shanghainese, most wealthy elites from tier 1 cities would rather send their children and assets aboard. Especially older people who lived through the cultural revolution.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

To be fair, we are talking about a relatively small number Shanghainese elites (tens and thousands within a city of 30 million) who happily serve their white masters. The reason these Shanghainese white worshipping elites stand out is because they own enormous wealth is a result of trading with western companies (as Tenstar pointed out). Such material benefits from west combined with their innate worshipping of the West and anti-communism (probably as a result of memories of Cultural Revolution) likely caused them to become the white worshippers they are today. Yet I totally understand it is unreasonable to say most Shanghainese are white worshippers. There are 30 million Shanghainese, and most are just ordinary Chinese citizens like the rest of the country. Unlike HK, Shanghai also contributes its tax incomes to subsidise the rest of the country, so the rest of China actually owns patriotic Shanghainese taxpayers (excluding those who move their assets to overseas tax havens) a big Thank You. In fact, I would argue that there are many more white worshippers in HK than in Shanghai. It is just that the white worshippers in Shanghai stand out due to their outsized wealth, influence, and ability to translate their wealth into much louder voice among China’s liberals; and thus, having an outsized ability to shape political narratives.

Now, maybe we can see some similarities between MAGA’s hatred toward Wall Street Globalists and ordinary working class Chinese’s disdain toward these white worshipping Shanghainese elites. Both elites try to evade tax, whilst seeking dominant political voice within their own countries. Both benefitted from globalisation by making themselves richer, whilst marginalising their own blue collar countrymen.

how many of the current 30M Shanghaiers are natives tho? In 1979, the population of Shangahi was ~5M, which is a reasonable estimate for "native" since Hukou was still actively enforced at that time.

It ain't just Shanghainese, most wealthy elites from tier 1 cities would rather send their children and assets aboard. Especially older people who lived through the cultural revolution.

There's data for this. Numbers are emigrants per 10k people.

 

[FriedButter]

Grand Vizier Stephen Miller has been appointed to the Federal Reserve.

Trump pick Stephen Miran confirmed to Federal Reserve Board; will also keep White House job​

• Miran will participate in the Fed policy committee’s upcoming meeting, where the board will consider whether to cut interest rates.

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[Michael90]

I am amused by the fact how for some americans, everything seems to happen in a vacuum and no reason whatsoever. "DPRK's nukes are a threat to the world, if it wasn't for us, they would have used them already!!11"

No buddy, the DPRK has nukes because of you, as a reaction to you killing 20% of their population, destroying 90% of their cities and waging biochemical warfare on them while threatening to nuke them and China. They figured out the only thing keeping you lot at bay from doing it again would be nuclear weapons. And the treatment of Libya, Iraq and Iran has proved them right.

Ok if that’s the reason then why is/was China against North Korean developing nukes then, to the point of joining the US to impose sanctions on North Korea and isolate them? So you think China has been unfair to N.Korea? lol. China knows it’s also a long term threat for them especially an unpredictable country at its border . Plus nobody knows if tomorrow day Kim regime will turn against China herself . Interests changes in geo politics all the time . China knows this.
Plus China has done her best to be rational with that paranoid brutal dynastic regime of Pyongyang who kills her citizens who dare emigrate from the country. Even a fool can see that the regime in Pyongyang is paranoid to the point of being crazy. Who kills her own citizens who try to move to another country ? Is that not madness ? China has tried many times to bring Kim dynasty out of their self imposed paranoia and isolation but the regime has refused time and time again . China has tried to show them a better way and open them up the way China did in the 80s to this day but the Kim dynastic regime wouldn’t have it. In fact , fat Kim went to the point of eliminating all pro Chinese elements in his regime including his own uncle. Shows you the current regime has Absolutely ZERO trust in China . In fact North Korea is even closer to Russia today than to China.
Anyway, the way the regime in North Korea is going, we all know they can’t keep up like this forever, the whole world has moved on but only North Korea has remained in her isolation(even Vietnam communist party opene up and reformed ), the Kim Dynasty is bound to collapse one day. Their system is unsustainable. The day it does, this can be an issue for China.

 

[lube]

Grand Vizier Stephen Miller has been appointed to the Federal Reserve.

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Miller was the evil sob who tried to convince Trump to order martial law and get the national guard to shoot BLM protesters.
Miran is the crank that wrote that white paper and has no understanding of economics.

Dead heat on which one is going to do more damage.

 

[Michael90]

I think Dan Wang discusses this. He says US was always ruled by lawyers but in the past there was a culture of respect of engineers and engineering work. There was a can do spirit. Perhaps they lost it because they got richer and dominant and thus no longer feel the need to do the hard work.

China is obviously much more poorer and thus there is a strong desire to move up in both wealth and technology. There is also scarcity of infrastracture that only started to improve recently.

Maybe if China gets extremely wealthy and dominant in geopolitical power, it too will get relaxed, easy going and lose its engineering dominant culture.

Agree, I think it’s normal . The current Chinese leadership and those in government/public sector etc grew up in a poor hungry China where they had to work hard sometimes to to bed hungry and strive for every penny to survive . So they grew up with a tough spirit . I am not sure the next Chinese generation who has grown up in abundance will have the same spirit. The generation who is growing up now in China will be totally different obviously since their environment is different from their parents . So with each generation things will change. Anyway, it’s impossible for any world power to remain on top forever, with time decay always steps in due to abundance and complacency, so the US and China might rule for sometime but they too will decline and fall in future like every other power and another rising power will take their place. The cycle is a never ending one. Nothing in life is constant , the only thing that’s constant in life is change .

 

[A potato]

To be fair, we are talking about a relatively small number Shanghainese elites (tens and thousands within a city of 30 million) who happily serve their white masters. The reason these Shanghainese white worshipping elites stand out is because they own enormous wealth is a result of trading with western companies (as Tenstar pointed out). Such material benefits from west combined with their innate worshipping of the West and anti-communism (probably as a result of memories of Cultural Revolution) likely caused them to become the white worshippers they are today. Yet I totally understand it is unreasonable to say most Shanghainese are white worshippers. There are 30 million Shanghainese, and most are just ordinary Chinese citizens like the rest of the country. Unlike HK, Shanghai also contributes its tax incomes to subsidise the rest of the country, so the rest of China actually owns patriotic Shanghainese taxpayers (excluding those who move their assets to overseas tax havens) a big Thank You. In fact, I would argue that there are many more white worshippers in HK than in Shanghai. It is just that the white worshippers in Shanghai stand out due to their outsized wealth, influence, and ability to translate their wealth into much louder voice among China’s liberals; and thus, having an outsized ability to shape political narratives.

Now, maybe we can see some similarities between MAGA’s hatred toward Wall Street Globalists and ordinary working class Chinese’s disdain toward these white worshipping Shanghainese elites. Both elites try to evade tax, whilst seeking dominant political voice within their own countries. Both benefitted from globalisation by making themselves richer, whilst marginalising their own blue collar countrymen.

I mean the coastal cities mainly the former concessions have this reputation in general due to western brainwashing. The biggest mistake the CCP ever made was to keep the colonial heritage instead of erasing it completely. The reason why the cities have this reputation is that they literally sold their souls as well as their culture during that period because it was a time that China was culturally confused. This is why I have a strong case for erasing all colonial heritage in the coast including HK and Macau because it would force people to learn real history and thus white worshipping would die out. The reason is say that is because the Local government for some reason white washes history to shape the city as Cosmopolitanism city in international spotlight which is completely fucking embarrassing. They literally forgot the fact that all these cities including HK were pre existing ports and the westerners didn't build shit. If we erase all colonial heritage, people would have seen old Shanghai (as well as in other cities like Tianjin and Qingdao) for it really was, a corrupt, crime ridden city that was run by an apartheid regime that tried to eradicate Chinese culture. Honestly I am half Shanghainese and I do not care if Shanghainese culture and indentity died out, if anything I would say good riddance it deserved to die. Even my Shanghainese father agreed with me and we both took more pride in my Shaanxi side of my family.