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[tamsen_ikard]

Breakneck has been pretty thumped on for all of those reasons, and in particular the silly engineer-lawyer opposition. The US has always been 'lawerly' but still managed to become a dominant industrial giant in the 50s and 60s in much the way China has now, so its decline is obviously more complicated.

I think Dan Wang discusses this. He says US was always ruled by lawyers but in the past there was a culture of respect of engineers and engineering work. There was a can do spirit. Perhaps they lost it because they got richer and dominant and thus no longer feel the need to do the hard work.

China is obviously much more poorer and thus there is a strong desire to move up in both wealth and technology. There is also scarcity of infrastracture that only started to improve recently.

Maybe if China gets extremely wealthy and dominant in geopolitical power, it too will get relaxed, easy going and lose its engineering dominant culture.

 

[supersnoop]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1966543135875690967

If traditional MIC contractor touches such a project, it will scope creep the F out of it. It goes from a cheap bomb with sheet metal wings bolted on powered by a scooter engine to a carbon fiber dual seeker microturbine thing that is half as capable as a tomahawk, but presented with the saving grace as being 25% cheaper.

if you get one of the tech bros, they promise they can make it cheaper using 3D printing and AI (somehow), but then you can see for the videos of their factories that they have zero automation and a very difficult path to scale production. “So how much would this industrial scale 3D printer cost, 1 million each? I thought it would be cheaper!”

 

[antiterror13]

I think Dan Wang discusses this. He says US was always ruled by lawyers but in the past there was a culture of respect of engineers and engineering work. There was a can do spirit. Perhaps they lost it because they got richer and dominant and thus no longer feel the need to do the hard work.

China is obviously much more poorer and thus there is a strong desire to move up in both wealth and technology. There is also scarcity of infrastracture that only started to improve recently.

Maybe if China gets extremely wealthy and dominant in geopolitical power, it too will get relaxed, easy going and lose its engineering dominant culture.

Yeahhh, every great powers in the past experienced that cycle, up and down, Chinese dynasties are a very good example.

US used to be very dominant in STEM, but see now, the majority of the brightest young generation would choose lawyers and MBA or investment bakers, etc

 

[Mmmeeeto]

DJT hinting at TikTok deal being reached

 

[Randomuser]

This, I feel, is a talking point that has outlived its usefulness.

Let's have a look at the education background of the Standing Committee of the 20th Politiburo (undergraduate only):

Xi Jinping - went to Tsinghua as a Worker-Peasant-Soldier Student, studied chemical engineering

Li Qiang - Ningbo Branch of Zhejiang Agricultural University - agricultural mechanisation

Zhao Leji - went to Peking University as a Worker-Peasant-Soldier Student, studied philosophy

Wang Huning - Shanghai Normal University, studied French

Cai Qi - Fujian Normal University, Political Econmics

Ding Xuexiang - Northeast Heavy Machinery Institute, engineering

Li Xi - Northwest Normal University, Chinese Language and Literature

So it's a even mix between people who studied science/engineering vs humanities. Also I have to note that higher education in China during the Cultural Revolution was not great, so you'd have to put an asterisk on some members who did study back then.

The myth of 'engineer-technocrats' as leaders of China was really a thing only for the Hu-Wen era - ie 16th and 17th Politiburo era (2002 - 2012), when both Hu Jintao and Wen Jiabao were trained as hydrologist and geologist respectively. It made sense in context - China was in the midst of massive urbanisation and infrastructure building. But as China's economy and growth driver transitions away from infrastructure building, we will see a mix of qualities in the top leadership team.

Seems you need a good balance.

How many of the top guys in Trump's cabinet (or even the west) have real hard STEM backgrounds? JD Vance and Peter Thiel who are supposed to be silicon valley guys ironically have little STEM backgrounds and are in fact lawyers;.

 

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There can‘t be any bad news when there are no news.

 

[siegecrossbow]

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Can’t help but feel that he knows something we don’t.

 

[manqiangrexue]

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DJT hinting at TikTok deal being reached

There he goes again running his big mouth about things being done and gone very well while casually mentioning that it hasn't even concluded yet. Last time he claimed a trade deal was done, just have to wait for China to actually approve it. Motherfucker, that's not done; that's called offer submitted.

 

[siegecrossbow]

There he goes again running his big mouth about things being done and gone very well while casually mentioning that it hasn't even concluded yet. Last time he claimed a trade deal was done, just have to wait for China to actually approve it. Motherfucker, that's not done; that's called offer submitted.

Here how it will go, I used my special powers and predicted the future so that people can finally stop worrying:

• US announces new harsh sanctions on Chinese IC industry
• SDF hyperventilation (current time, we are at this stage)
• China's response will be hidden from plain sight
• Chinese foreign spokesman/woman says "we urge the American side to change course or they will have to face the collective will of 1.4 billion Chinese people"
• Global Times editorial "America shows its unreliability, domestic companies will benefit, US should focus on its own issues and stop worrying about China"
• Xi-Biden meeting, China's foreign ministry statement, "Biden said he doesnt want a cold war, and he doesn't support Taiwan's independence". "Xi said he supports a win-win cooperative relationship with US and building a community with a shared future for mankind"
• The entire West, social media, think tankers ridicule China for its weak/no response to US actions
• SDF continues its hyperventilation
• 2-3 years later, a report comes out from a random Western organisation, "China is actually winning the tech war and EUV machine is ready"
• SDF relief, "we won, finally, the end!"
• Some months later, the US announces new extremely harsh sanctions on an unrelated industry that China still heavily depends on the US.
• SDF hyperventilation
• REPEAT from stage 3

Swap bolded part with “Trump running his mouth” for some of the people on this thread.

 

[henrik]

Can’t help but feel that he knows something we don’t.

Probably many companies are faking their financial performance.