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[manqiangrexue]

Not all vassal you should think like this. Weather US can vassalize India or not india still act the same. The same goes with Philippines and Japan.

Kicking or not india will still find a chance to attack china no matter how they are weak or strong. It's not maybe but it is 100%. Your strategy is right for other vassals but not India, Philippines Japan and I even think Vietnam as well. Those countries are long term enemies even US loss hegemony.

Everything you said doesn't matter. It's for an imaginary future but we are faced with a present challenge, which is America trying to drain the world's power into itself so it can fight China. If we don't beat this right now, we will have no future to plan for. So Always work against your enemy. If America wants to drain India, prevent it by protecting India. This is exactly what China is doing now because they agree with me and disagree with you. Chinese leaders understand to always work against your main enemy's and never get distracted by clown countries. India doesn't matter. Stronger or weaker, friendly or hostile, they are self-limiting. America matters. This is what we need to defeat RIGHT NOW. There is no future if you do not win NOW.

There is nothing special about Philippines, Japan, Vietnam. They are small countries that must foster good relations with the superpower in the area. You are missing the big picture because of what they do as American vassals. When America is down, they will all mellow and bend the knee to China. India is larger and has ambitions of its own but it's a future issue that cannot be prioritized over current issues.

Your problem is that you are so scared of a future Indian challenge that you are overlooking the present American challenge. You are so scared of India that you are about to bolster America, China's main enemy, instead. It's fear that blinds you to strategy.

 

[tamsen_ikard]

Everything you said doesn't matter. It's for an imaginary future but we are faced with a present challenge, which is America trying to drain the world's power into itself so it can fight China. If we don't beat this right now, we will have no future to plan for. So Always work against your enemy. If America wants to drain India, prevent it by protecting India. This is exactly what China is doing now because they agree with me and disagree with you. Chinese leaders understand to always work against your main enemy's and never get distracted by clown countries. India doesn't matter. Stronger or weaker, friendly or hostile, they are self-limiting. America matters. This is what we need to defeat RIGHT NOW. There is no future if you do not win NOW.

There is nothing special about Philippines, Japan, Vietnam. They are small countries that must foster good relations with the superpower in the area. You are missing the big picture because of what they do as American vassals. When America is down, they will all mellow and bend the knee to China. India is larger and has ambitions of its own but it's a future issue that cannot be prioritized over current issues.

Your problem is that you are so scared of a future Indian challenge that you are overlooking the present American challenge. You are so scared of India that you are about to bolster America, China's main enemy, instead. It's fear that blinds you to strategy.

I don't think Japan, Philippines and Korea will bend the knee just cause US is down. They are infected by extreme white worship and look down on China as inferior and not fit to be dominant.

The more US goes down, the more likely these countries will try to ally together, boost military budget and finally look develop nuclear weapons. They would rather become north Korea like pariah state than bend the knee to China.

I'm afraid China will have to fight a war, bomb one of these countries and perhaps foment a coup to be able to finally have dominant position. It will not be without violence.

 

[manqiangrexue]

I don't think Japan, Philippines and Korea will bend the knee just cause US is down. They are infected by extreme white worship and look down on China as inferior and not fit to be dominant.

The more US goes down, the more likely these countries will try to ally together, boost military budget and finally look develop nuclear weapons. They would rather become north Korea like pariah state than bend the knee to China.

I'm afraid China will have to fight a war, bomb one of these countries and perhaps foment a coup to be able to finally have dominant position. It will not be without violence.

No, nobody is suicidal like that. North Korea has the backing of China and Russia in its area against NATO far away. To those little Asian countries, choosing to antagonize China in Asia will be an obvious self-destructive move. Even banded together, they are nothing more than a minor appendage of American power so if America fell, what chance do they think they have? These countries used to look down on China; now they fear China with some disguised as condescendence but it is really fear. One thing that struck out at me for the attitudes of these nations towards China was when Pan Zhanle was destroying the 100m competition in Paris. Japanese and Korean broadcasters were going wild cheering him on. Deep down, they know we're all Asian and a Chinese man winning a non-traditionally Asian sport was doing all of us proud. White worship was made when white countries invaded and colonized Asia. When the US is down and China is the world's premier power, there will be no white worship.

 

[tamsen_ikard]

No, nobody is suicidal like that. North Korea has the backing of China and Russia in its area against NATO far away. To those little Asian countries, choosing to antagonize China in Asia will be an obvious self-destructive move. Even banded together, they are nothing more than a minor appendage of American power so if America fell, what chance do they think they have? These countries used to look down on China; now they fear China with some disguised as condescendence but it is really fear. One thing that struck out at me for the attitudes of these nations towards China was when Pan Zhanle was destroying the 100m competition in Paris. Japanese and Korean broadcasters were going wild cheering him on. Deep down, they know we're all Asian and a Chinese man winning a non-traditionally Asian sport was doing all of us proud. White worship was made when white countries invaded and colonized Asia. When the US is down and China is the world's premier power, there will be no white worship.

I hope you are right. But I am not optimistic based on what happened in hong kong, taiwan and inside China itself with such a large percentage of the elites holding anti-china opinions.

China had absolute dominance in Hong Kong and Hong kongers knew it clearly and still they were so suicidal to try to provoke china and in the end, China essentially had to use force by passing nat sec law.

I think these people will not give up their prejudice without a fight. China will have to prove its military and organizational might before it gets respected in east asia. So some form of war is inevitable.

 

[manqiangrexue]

I hope you are right. But I am not optimistic based on what happened in hong kong, taiwan and inside China itself with such a large percentage of the elites holding anti-china opinions.

China had absolute dominance in Hong Kong and Hong kongers knew it clearly and still they were so suicidal to try to provoke china and in the end, China essentially had to use force by passing nat sec law.

I think these people will not give up their prejudice without a fight. China will have to prove its military and organizational might before it gets respected in east asia. So some form of war is inevitable.

China held absolute dominance in Hong Kong but America was still recognized as the leading power in the world. For China to end white worship, we should demonstrate that China's technology, society, economy and military are paralleled by no other country anywhere. America is yesterday's news not just in China's backyard (because that's not a fair fight), but in general because China's just better. That's the hill that needs to be beaten before people shake off the decades of white worship from when China and Asia were weak. Dominance in Hong Kong is nothing; that's your own city attached to your own mainland.

 

[AssassinsMace]

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First thing is when are they in the business of helping China by pointing out the flaws? They're not. Typical manipulative arrogant Western thinking they're giving good advice when they're actually trying to circumvent a situation they don't like from happening.

If China is wasting all this money because they're doing it wrong, then how come China can spend money on a world-class infrastructure, be the economic engine of the world investing money into other countries to spark their economies that the West is alarmed over, and have an advanced military that scares the West all at the same time when the US can only spend on it's military complaining how they don't have the money to do anything else. So who's the one in trouble for the way on how they do things?

The Economist is a typical British rag out to defend the British system they forced onto the world to which the US follows. So of course they're going to be critical of anything that challenges it especially if it works better than theirs hence why the US has to spend all it's money on the military and can do nothing else.

If you read about China Shock 2.0, which is probably where this was spun from, the guy that coined the term talks about how in the West, they allow the private sector to decide where technology goes because they see where they think where they can make the most money. In China, the government identifies and decides where money is to be invested and then they provide funding to invest to their domestic companies to develop it. And that's wrong when they admit China is beating them in future technologies? And how's that going after the report that was just released that said 95% of the companies invested into artificial intelligence are going bust because it's not living up to the hype? That's what's driving the US economy now with all the huge amounts of money invested into AI.

The West automatically thinks they're superior hence why they think they can delve out advice. Even though it's shows it's failures especially in the face of China, they want to spin how it's the perfect balance to everything hence why everyone should do what they dictate. That's why when whites think they're naturally superior, despite how Africans beat them at athletics and Asians beat them in science and engineering, it's because they're good both even though they're not the best. That's why to them Asians and Africans can be better at one but not both at the same time hence why they're still superior to them.

They can't believe China is doing it better overall so they're going search and spin whatever they can to proclaim China is doing it wrong anyway. Why do they care when their ultimate goal is to take China out of the competition? It shows how they don't have confidence in their own nonsense. It's easy to believe in your own bullshit. The battle is won when you get everyone else to believe it.

 

[discspinner]

The Victor Gao Line is actually much more conservative than the claim lines of Akhand Bharat, which demands for the entirety of Xizang. It shows the level of delusion of the Jai Hinds and Bhakts.

If the Ganges river really does become the new Sino-Indian border, its hard to imagine how cities north of the river like Lucknow and Varanasi would be governed under Chinese rule.

This underscores the problem facing Chinese leaders today when it comes to an expansionist India. Nobody can and wants to rule over Indian populations, with exceptions such as ‘Chinkis’, as the Jai Hinds may say, in the northeastern parts outside the Siliguri corridor.

What this means is that forcibly breaking India doesn’t work well as there needs to be an internal source of secessionist opposition originating from India proper to offer material support from across the Himalayas.

Thus it seems Chinese leaders are prudently playing the waiting game.

 

[discspinner]

I don't think Japan, Philippines and Korea will bend the knee just cause US is down. They are infected by extreme white worship and look down on China as inferior and not fit to be dominant.

The more US goes down, the more likely these countries will try to ally together, boost military budget and finally look develop nuclear weapons. They would rather become north Korea like pariah state than bend the knee to China.

I'm afraid China will have to fight a war, bomb one of these countries and perhaps foment a coup to be able to finally have dominant position. It will not be without violence.

The problem of ‘Elite Capture’ is the biggest challenge to China winning over hearts and minds of these countries. Especially the Phillipines, where nobody is even pretending that the US has the Marcos’ family assets held by the balls, so it better do what the US wants it to do. Think about it, the Philippines is dirt poor, and would benefit from a strong relationship with China with which it can develop, and its location would be unmatched in the East Asian trade supply chain. So why take such an antagonist stance against China. Even other SEA countries like Vietnam, Malaysia, Indonesia which have similar grievances over SCS take more pragmatic economic considerations into account.

 

[Mmmeeeto]

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[mossen]

India will never be a friend of China. Zhou Enlai tried to end the border conflict already back in the 1950s by proposing mutual acceptance of border areas. China would get Aksai Chin and India would get what they call Arunachal Pradesh. India rejected it then and has rejected it since.

Don't fool yourself. India is only moving towards China because circumstances forced them to. There is great distrust among Indians, particularly the Hindutva types. Ironically, it's precisely these self-styled nationalists who were the biggest boosters of a US-India partnership. The left-secular Congress had traditionally favoured a more balanced foreign policy, closer to Russia and the global south.

For the Philippines, public sentiment is overwhelmingly anti-China. For Vietnam, it's more complex. The leadership is pretty pro-China but the people beneath the elites are more pro-US. This is weird, given the brutal Vietnam war. China's brief border skirmish was a nothingburder in comparison.

I think the main reason for all of this is the diaspora. Indian, Vietnamese and Filipinos diasporas are all very numerous in the West and this creates a natural cultural link to elites back home. China is a much more closed society, so there hasn't been the opportunity to create foreign diasporas. In addition, China was simply too poor to be attractive for immigrants until recently. For these reasons, people-to-people ties are scarce compared to what the West can offer these countries. China also has its own enclosed cultural space. India consumes lots of Western culture, whereas China largely does not except a few films on the margins.

Making a rational argument on economics is a very Chinese way of thinking, because Chinese people are pragmatic and rational. But people in global south countries often have emotional and social factors swaying their decisions. It's the same reason why elites in countries like Iran or Armenia keep running into the arms of the West even if it doesn't make much sense from a cold geopolitical standpoint. Because it's an emotional decision.