Chinese Hypersonic Developments (HGVs/HCMs)

[Temstar]

Also, I wonder if J-36 would be able to carry a strike payload of air launched YJ-19s. The main bay is definitely large enough and YJ-19 should be slim enough to fit as well.

Shilao and co mentioned that all that development in HCM has made PLAAF realize the need for a new bomber. There's a new class of weapon that's too big for H-6 to carry a pair of ala YJ-21, yet too small and not strategic weapon enough to make it a H-6N centerline special. Thus PLAAF now has a clear use case to argue for a new larger bomber.

 

[Tomboy]

Shilao and co mentioned that all that development in HCM has made PLAAF realize the need for a new bomber. There's a new class of weapon that's too big for H-6 to carry a pair of ala YJ-21, yet too small and not strategic weapon enough to make it a H-6N centerline special. Thus PLAAF now has a clear use case to argue for a new larger bomber.

Yeah, we've been discussing this in the H-20 thread. But I wonder if they mean the H-20 is designed with this in mind or there is a need for a B-52 class bomber or something even larger

 

[ougoah]

H-20 would be that larger bomber. There ain't no way even China has the capacity for concurrent heavy bombers in this age of nuclear subs, better observation against stealth aircraft and basically unlimited range hypersonic missiles and FOBS.

New bombers have to be stealthy this is a minimum. Makes no sense to have two separate stealth bombers unless one is unmanned, stealth and optimised for speed (supersonic) to perform nuclear delivery. H-20 should be the next gen workhorse bomber. If possible, combine all performance criteria under one platform to avoid unnecessary spending and logistics headache to support two next gen bombers. Even the US just digitally upgraded the B-2 into a smaller thing they can produce more of. H-20 will probably be something as big if not larger than B-2 for payload and of course one developed in the 21st century with 21st century sub-systems. Kinda like a high tier B-21 lol B-21 is the no frills modernised B-2. A step backwards. China can outproduce US.

 

[Tomboy]

H-20 would be that larger bomber. There ain't no way even China has the capacity for concurrent heavy bombers in this age of nuclear subs, better observation against stealth aircraft and basically unlimited range hypersonic missiles and FOBS.

New bombers have to be stealthy this is a minimum. Makes no sense to have two separate stealth bombers unless one is unmanned, stealth and optimised for speed (supersonic) to perform nuclear delivery. H-20 should be the next gen workhorse bomber. If possible, combine all performance criteria under one platform to avoid unnecessary spending and logistics headache to support two next gen bombers. Even the US just digitally upgraded the B-2 into a smaller thing they can produce more of. H-20 will probably be something as big if not larger than B-2 for payload and of course one developed in the 21st century with 21st century sub-systems. Kinda like a high tier B-21 lol B-21 is the no frills modernised B-2. A step backwards. China can outproduce US.

H-20 would be a mega large bomber if it could truly carry two or more of these 15+m long missiles internally while still having global range. You also can't compromise extreme stealth(Should be B-21 level minimum) so no cranked wing trick to increase body length or anything. Adding supersonic capability basically just makes this a impossible design with current tech if you also want a cheap mass production ready design.

B-2's bay is barely half as long as required, so we may very well be looking at a theoretical design that's twice as large which is impractical.

 

[ougoah]

H-20 would be a mega large bomber if it could truly carry two or more of these 15+m long missiles internally while still having global range. You also can't compromise extreme stealth(Should be B-21 level minimum) so no cranked wing trick to increase body length or anything. Adding supersonic capability basically just makes this a impossible design with current tech if you also want a cheap mass production ready design.

B-2's bay is barely half as long as required, so we may very well be looking at a theoretical design that's twice as large which is impractical.

With leaps and bounds of progress at 5-10x US MIC development speed, in basically every military domain, I find it hard to believe China has capacity and resources left for TWO next generation bombers, both of which would be larger (and likely) faster than B-21.

 

[latenlazy]

Shilao and co mentioned that all that development in HCM has made PLAAF realize the need for a new bomber. There's a new class of weapon that's too big for H-6 to carry a pair of ala YJ-21, yet too small and not strategic weapon enough to make it a H-6N centerline special. Thus PLAAF now has a clear use case to argue for a new larger bomber.

I suppose this is how we might arrive at H-20 as JH-XX plus. Longer bays means longer centerline fuselage. If you go with the same wide aspect subsonic flying wing the plane will end up much larger than if you go with a narrower aspect flying wing, and if you’re going narrow aspect supersonic is only another step from there. Crucially though I don’t think any of this happens if they’re not extremely confident about engines. 4x WS-15 with a future ACE swap might be the critical enabler for them to revise up requirements. To be clear this is all just speculative on my part.

 

[tamsen_ikard]

I keep coming back to this image. There is a huge amount of images, videos associated with H-20 is this design. I also saw models toys with this design named H-20.

So, I have a feeling this is the real thing. This design is long enough that it can probably support supersonic speed and also long missiles in its bay.

So, Overall it could be quite interesting if this design turn out to be real. Cause everyone here dismissed it as fake.

 

[Tomboy]

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I keep coming back to this image. There is a huge amount of images, videos associated with H-20 is this design. I also saw models toys with this design named H-20.

So, I have a feeling this is the real thing. This design is long enough that it can probably support supersonic speed and also long missiles in its bay.

So, Overall it could be quite interesting if this design turn out to be real. Cause everyone here dismissed it as fake.

This is just a terrible design, high mechanical complexity with the folding tail and bad stealth. H-20 is a top secret project there is no way some rando toymaker is going to casually get their hand on a model.

 

[mack8]

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I keep coming back to this image. There is a huge amount of images, videos associated with H-20 is this design. I also saw models toys with this design named H-20.

So, I have a feeling this is the real thing. This design is long enough that it can probably support supersonic speed and also long missiles in its bay.

So, Overall it could be quite interesting if this design turn out to be real. Cause everyone here dismissed it as fake.

Like i was saying previously, China has proven it can build tailless supersonic airframes, so to me it defies belief that H-20 will have vertical tails. Apparently this configuration was studied in wind tunnels a while ago, and perhaps this might be one of the reasons for the delay, it's been redesigned without any vertical surfaces among other possible changes.

 

[Maikeru]

Personally, my feeling (and I put it no higher than that) is that H-20 will look like an enlarged J-36 with 4 engines.