The Kashmir conflict 2025.

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KampfAlwin

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india, despite being a 'democracy' is literally the most propagandised nation on Earth - from the bottom to top. Somehow they managed to spin their downed aircraft into Pakistan's loss. No matter how many fuck-ups they produce, they'll never reflect on it but always deflect.

Really a pathetic bunch of losers. China could never wish for a better adversary than the one that eats their own BS.
 

manqiangrexue

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I blame PAF for not shooting down more jets when they had the chance on May 7th. If they downed half of the 70 or so Indian aircraft in the air we wouldn’t have had to deal with this level of nonsense three months after the fact.
Yes, we would. However many Indian jets were shot down, they would claim that number plus some more for Pakistan. You are dealing with India; you will always be wading through verbal shit. If every last Indian were killed except one man, and Pakistan/China suffered no losses, that 1 Indian man would be on his Chinese phone falling over mountains of Indian corpses with blood all over him posting on Youtube/Reddit that India committed genocide on Pakistan+China and won.

That same Indian man, however, if he were to receive a US greencard, get his PhD at CalTech, emerge as a distinguished expert in his field of computer science, would have to be beaten to death before you could drag him back to or get him to help build India. That's Indian nationalism ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
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This is why India is doomed to be a so so ran power, self delusion is a hell of a drug. Good means they will not learn and a country with a fraction of their defence budget is bitch slapping them every time.
Elite geopolitical ball knowledge right here. Can’t believe this absolute galaxy-brain take isn’t more popular. Clearly, if a country loses a war or gets embarrassed once or twicw, they’re permanently washed, right? No coming back. Just pack it up.


  • This is why America is doomed to be a so-so ran power, self-delusion is a hell of a drug. Good — means they’ll never learn, and they got bitch-slapped by jungle fighters in Vietnam, chased out of Mogadishu by warlords, and humiliated in a desert by a bunch of students in Tehran with blindfolds and hostages.
  • This is why China is doomed to be a so-so ran power, self-delusion is a hell of a drug. Good — means they’ll never learn, and a country that got repeatedly stomped by the British, French, Japanese, and even Vietnam thinks it’s a serious military power?
  • This is why Russia is doomed to be a so-so ran power, self-delusion is a hell of a drug. Good — means they’ll never learn, and they got humiliated by the Finns in 1939, bled dry in Afghanistan, and got whipped by Chechens in Grozny
  • This is why Germany is doomed to be a so-so ran power, self-delusion is a hell of a drug. Good — means they’ll never learn, and they lost two world wars, got occupied, divided, and denazified. They had everything and blew it. Twice.
  • This is why Japan is doomed to be a so-so ran power, self-delusion is a hell of a drug. Good — means they’ll never learn, and after getting nuked twice and banned from having a military, they think they're still in the game?
  • This is why Israel is doomed to be a so-so ran power, self-delusion is a hell of a drug. Good — means they’ll never learn, and they got caught napping in 1973 and took a beating from Hezbollah in 2006. That’s supposed to be a military power?
  • This is why France is doomed to be a so-so ran power, self-delusion is a hell of a drug. Good — means they’ll never learn, and they got routed in WWII, lost Vietnam at Dien Bien Phu, and got kicked out of Algeria. Colonial failure after failure


 

manqiangrexue

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Elite geopolitical ball knowledge right here. Can’t believe this absolute galaxy-brain take isn’t more popular. Clearly, if a country loses a war or gets embarrassed once or twicw, they’re permanently washed, right? No coming back. Just pack it up.


  • This is why America is doomed to be a so-so ran power, self-delusion is a hell of a drug. Good — means they’ll never learn, and they got bitch-slapped by jungle fighters in Vietnam, chased out of Mogadishu by warlords, and humiliated in a desert by a bunch of students in Tehran with blindfolds and hostages.
  • This is why China is doomed to be a so-so ran power, self-delusion is a hell of a drug. Good — means they’ll never learn, and a country that got repeatedly stomped by the British, French, Japanese, and even Vietnam thinks it’s a serious military power?
  • This is why Russia is doomed to be a so-so ran power, self-delusion is a hell of a drug. Good — means they’ll never learn, and they got humiliated by the Finns in 1939, bled dry in Afghanistan, and got whipped by Chechens in Grozny
  • This is why Germany is doomed to be a so-so ran power, self-delusion is a hell of a drug. Good — means they’ll never learn, and they lost two world wars, got occupied, divided, and denazified. They had everything and blew it. Twice.
  • This is why Japan is doomed to be a so-so ran power, self-delusion is a hell of a drug. Good — means they’ll never learn, and after getting nuked twice and banned from having a military, they think they're still in the game?
  • This is why Israel is doomed to be a so-so ran power, self-delusion is a hell of a drug. Good — means they’ll never learn, and they got caught napping in 1973 and took a beating from Hezbollah in 2006. That’s supposed to be a military power?
  • This is why France is doomed to be a so-so ran power, self-delusion is a hell of a drug. Good — means they’ll never learn, and they got routed in WWII, lost Vietnam at Dien Bien Phu, and got kicked out of Algeria. Colonial failure after failure
He's not saying India's doomed because it suffered a defeat. He's saying India's doomed because they cannot change their attitude of shameless lying to cover up defeats rather than owning up to them to make improvements. The first step to solving a problem is admitting you have a problem. India can't seem to take this step but would always prefer to pretend that India has no problem and that that their enemies have all the problems.
 
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He's saying India's doomed because they cannot change their attitude of shameless lying to cover up defeats rather than owning up to them to make improvements
Can he prove India is uniquely “shamelessly lying” to cover defeats? Every major power manages narratives to its advantage.


Russia’s propaganda machine is well-known. The US often keeps info under wraps.


And China? Obviously, it’s so perfect it doesn’t need to hide anything — flawless in every way. Everyone else just can’t compete.


So sure, only India lies. That makes perfect sense.


Managing narratives is normal. It won’t stop India from rising.
 

manqiangrexue

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Can he prove India is uniquely “shamelessly lying” to cover defeats? Every major power manages narratives to its advantage.


Russia’s propaganda machine is well-known. The US often keeps info under wraps.


And China? Obviously, it’s so perfect it doesn’t need to hide anything — flawless in every way. Everyone else just can’t compete.


So sure, only India lies. That makes perfect sense.
No, Indian lying is unique in the world and it is proven. Nobody loses 5+ jets in a conflict with pictures for evidence and everything, then says without any evidence that the enemy lost 5+ jets. Nobody. Countries manage narratives but they don't lie like India, disregarding all evidence and making up its stories. Your defensive and deflecting attitude towards this incredibly uniquely self-humiliating behavior by India is very Indian.
Managing narratives is normal. It won’t stop India from rising.
Yes, it will. When you make the people think that your defeats are your victories, they don't demand change. Young Indian men aren't demanding that the government overhaul their military to prevent this from happening again, but they are celebrating that India shot down X imaginary Sino-Pakistani fighters. They are happy with the same, and there is no motivation for the leaders to deliver change because apparently, none are needed.
 

Faisal Iqbal

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Famouns crickting lore, when South African (Apartheid era) born and raised Tony Greig who was captain of England in 1976 passed the following statement about the visiting West Indies team, quoted below,

"People are building these West Indian's up, I am not sure they are as good as every body think they are, if they are down they grovel and I intend with the help of closey and few others, to make them grovel"

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Why is it relavent in our case over here, now Indians have painted the bull's eye on their air defence systems, be it domestic or of foreign origin, PAF has gotten new excercise curriculum.

Another thing to note is if they keep-up their current policy with USA on defence equipment, they can kiss their Tejas programe goodbye.

P.S!! There is Ceasefire mentioned in there.
 

AlexYe

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No, Indian lying is unique in the world and it is proven. Nobody loses 5+ jets in a conflict with pictures for evidence and everything, then says without any evidence that the enemy lost 5+ jets. Nobody. Countries manage narratives but they don't lie like India, disregarding all evidence and making up its stories. Your defensive and deflecting attitude towards this incredibly uniquely self-humiliating behavior by India is very Indian.

Yes, it will. When you make the people think that your defeats are your victories, they don't demand change. Young Indian men aren't demanding that the government overhaul their military to prevent this from happening again, but they are celebrating that India shot down X imaginary Sino-Pakistani fighters. They are happy with the same, and there is no motivation for the leaders to deliver change because apparently, none are needed.
Couldnt have said it better.

Not to mention if IAF ACM is saying lying about stuff like that, what does that mean for the future mission planners? Pilots ? other intel-officers? They will be overconfident based on fake-past mission data/results. And it will cost them again.
They lied openly in 2019, gave medal to the pilot who got captured for ...getting captured,
now in 2025 they do it 10x worse, its not good for the people working in that branch.

 
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No, Indian lying is unique in the world and it is proven. Nobody loses 5+ jets in a conflict with pictures for evidence and everything, then says without any evidence that the enemy lost 5+ jets. Nobody. Countries manage narratives but they don't lie like India, disregarding all evidence and making up its stories. Your defensive and deflecting attitude towards this incredibly uniquely self-humiliating behavior by India is very Indian.
Every major power hides losses and spins stories—that’s just how war works. The US downplayed pilot losses in Vietnam for years, Russia has a long history of concealing setbacks (look at their recent Ukraine conflict), and countless examples exist worldwide. India is far from unique in managing narratives around military failures. wont talk about China as obviously they were never defeated right.

Maybe before claiming India’s behavior is uniquely shameful, consider that all countries do this, just some are better at hiding it. Your “India-only” narrative isn’t based on facts—it’s selective bias, plain and simple.
Yes, it will. When you make the people think that your defeats are your victories, they don't demand change. Young Indian men aren't demanding that the government overhaul their military to prevent this from happening again, but they are celebrating that India shot down X imaginary Sino-Pakistani fighters. They are happy with the same, and there is no motivation for the leaders to deliver change because apparently, none are needed.
If you think young Indians are just blindly celebrating “imaginary victories” and ignoring military reform, you’re clearly stuck scrolling Twitter and living in your own echo chamber.


Try actually looking at parliamentary proceedings—those debates are public about defense failures.


Or better yet, swing by subs like r/India, r/UnitedStatesOfIndia, r/liberandu, or even r/IndianDefense. The level of criticism about procurement mess-ups and modernization delays may not be par with your level but are enough to indicate that Indian public, especially the youth who cares is not blind.


You’re cherry-picking sources that feed your bias instead of seeing the full picture. Maybe step out of your bubble before throwing around sweeping judgments.

And let’s be clear: public perception doesn’t shape India’s defense trajectory—bureaucrats, generals, planners, and institutional inertia do. That’s where the real problem (and progress) lies.
 
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