I am assuming the tender is for future replacement of migs/jaguars/ mirages etc =LCA
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The IAF doesn't have much confidence for the Tejas Mk2 design timelines to be met or for production rates to be adequate. Air Marshal Singh has already publicly criticized HAL over the Mk1a. India needs the planes now, and any foreign orders will take anywhere from 3-5 years before delivery.
The IAF is the second hardest air force to acquire new aircraft for. They face off against the toughest opponents, and they are so far behind the technological curve and there are no good acquisition paths available. The local planes are inadequate and have very low production rates, and any foreign planes are both too expensive and not entirely up to the task. The IAF needs a lot more than fighters too: they also need AWACS, EW aircraft, and so on, and then all of these aircraft have to talk to each other. It's a complete mess.
Who is the first..? Taiwan..?
And yeah agreed with the rest.
IAF needs like pure $80 bn given to them completely just for platforms for 1 year or slice it to $40bn for 2 years.
The USAF. The ROCAF's situation is super simple. Nothing they do will do anything to the PLAAF's overwhelming advantages so it doesn't matter what they buy.
Yeah I was thinking its 'hard' because of these reasons, because nothing they do matters now.
LMAO
Nah, it's the same 25-old MMRCA. And there anything is possible.
Like, it seems that now leading candidate is likely the su-57. Which is anything, but L.
Frankly speaking, new likely split in this competition is likely the Indian answer to Kashmir (and, probably almost as importantly, Iran) experience.
Contrary to the twitter stance (as if it matters), this time procurement requirements shifted swiftly, and not in favour of Dassault.
Kashmir was a personal and painful awakening, that Rafale is a good multirole aircraft, but it is not a prime a2a aircraft against Pakistan.
Iran was perhaps a way more ominous example, that air defense network can be dismantled by a modern force at a country scale...and that there's a nice precedent now that modern forces can strike with overwhelming force, without much warning, and everyone will cheer.
If ADF collapses, and there's no aircraft in the air, able to interfere with DEAD, - you're, well, dead.
And you have to assume you'll have to somehow do it with your radar coverage down, with whatever you managed to take into air - condition which essentially rules out 4th gen aircraft (and, frankly, most 5th gen aircraft).
This is never the case (there is always useful reaction and useless reaction), but ROCAF indeed takes almost funny amount of time to react to realities.
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Hmm I get your point,
Their current 'hopes' platform (Rafale) was painful awakening(not prime a2a), they are sorta on the 'defense' now because right now PAF has edge on them, Mix in with iran situation i.e what happens when airforce is down and AD's are taken out= 'you are dead'
So ....what do..? su57 is the only path based on their requirements/needs/demands.
Rafale isn't suddenly bad or even outright outperformed by J-10CE. Bad engagements happen, that's the nature of things.
Rafale/meteor will remain a potent combo, Rafale is still worlds' most rounded multi-role aircraft. Indians aren't suddenly stopping procurement ASAP.
But regardless of how bad the engagement went this time, Rafale absolutely does not hold the superiority India hoped for - it ultimately is just another fighter in the air; at best it's going to equal J-10s.
It can't be the edge, nether can Tejases. AMCA is not going to be operational, even by the most optimistic accounts, for a decade. Indo-Pakistani conflicts flare every few(6) years. No time to fool around.
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Rafale costs like what double or triple the price of the Su-57?
It is just an idiotic purchase.
Had they got the MiG-35 back then for the same price they could got way more aircraft for much the same functionality. And the Indians lack airframes as simple as that.
As for the Meteor, the Russians just recently put the R-77M into service. It probably can be carried by the MiG-35 weightwise.
The M2Ks aren't going anywhere or being phased out anytime soon. IAF is currently exploring available options (window shopping) in the market. Recently, IAF-chief visited Greece to inspect and evaluate their Mirage 2000s, with the intention of potentially upgrading them into mini-Rafales.
This approach is similar to the Pakistan Air Force's (PAF) successful strategy with its ROSE (Retrofit of Strike Element) program, through which it bought large numbers of old or grounded Mirage III and V aircraft from the market and modernized its Mirage III and V fleets. PAF has effectively utilized these aircraft for over five decades, continuously upgrading them to remain operationally relevant and part of the modern combat league.
The IAF’s broader intent is to build up the M2K fleet to around 100 aircraft, eventually phasing out the Jaguar fleet.
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