2025 Israel - Iranian conflict

Sinnavuuty

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If they keep to Bosnian War style aerial bombardment I don’t see how there will be any opposition to this. Deploying ground troops? That’s debatable. But my veteran buddy said that they are moving blood banks to the bases in the Middle East so there is very real chance of boots on the ground.
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U.S. officials have confirmed to CNN that non-sheltered USAF aircraft have been evacuated from Al Udeid Air Base in Qatar, and U.S. Navy vessels previously forward-deployed at Naval Support Activity Bahrain have also repositioned.

➡️ Additionally, medical logistics have been reinforced, with pre-positioned blood supplies deployed across the CENTCOM region incase U.S. forces are attacked.
 

Sinnavuuty

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TACO in full effect.

Trump knows he will pay politically if he attacks which has the potential to drag US into another ME war. "Not starting wars" is something he is proud of.

At the same time, Bibi has dragged him into this mess. But Trump really doesn't want to do this.
You are grossly underestimating the stupidity of Trump and his team of advisors.

There is a saying here: Everything that is already bad can get worse under Trump.
 

zyklon

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I don't think that's realistic. The entire Iranian grand strategy has failed, and their best option now is to swallow the bitter pill of the U.S. ultimatum and turn inward, with a focus on socioeconomic reforms and modernization.

Iran is done as a major regional player for at least a generation.

We're not necessarily in disagreement.

Looking inward provides an opportunity to recover, rebuild and perhaps rearm. However to get there, there first needs to be a cessation of hostilities.

Should such a ceasefire deal be reached prior to regime change in or the balkanization of Iran, then the next question is how long it'll last . . .

What began with Operation Desert Storm and culminated with the 2003 US invasion of Iraq might foreshadow how such a hypothetical deal between Iran and the US (and Israel) could play out.
 

PLAwatcher12

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Not correct. You haven't read through everything. @sheogorath please post it again or direct him to it.

What Disney movie brainwashed you to believe this? It's so far out of this world it's insane. I wouldn't teach this to my 5 year old. And I have a feeling that in person, you could be forced to break your foolish rule/sentiment in seconds when wrongs are committed onto you and you have no legal mechanism with which to fight back.

Also not correct. Killing civilians, or generally inflicting massive damage can make peace if you make their country too scared to attacked you again for fear of loss. This is the only language countries like Israel understands. Never show weakness or civility to a country that only speaks cruelty and brutality.
Where is the proof than other than what Iran claims.

it is true, you might want to but that doesn’t mean its moral or right especially when civilians are involved.

killing civilians will never lead to peace and nether will mass destruction, Israel and any other country will only attack more and more destructive when killing civilians is involved it has never worked and never will
 

Deffblue

Just Hatched
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That's not what you think it is. Having a fatwa is a self-protection measure for Iran.
It's not some of altruistic self-restraint that Iran put on itself willingly lol


The moment they remove it, the next nanosecond they are going to get bombed by the US.
I agree; the Iranians wanted to make clear they weren't looking to develop nukes. However, do you believe that the US didn't strike Iran simply because they swore they weren't developing nukes? Israel is the US attack dog, and as such is an extension of US foreign policy.

They are getting bombed, fatwa or not. I don't think North Korea is getting bombed anytime soon, no? What's the difference between NK and Iran?
 

Sinnavuuty

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Updated US Ships in CENTCOM or heading towards CENTCOM list

Nimitz CSG (Note supposed to Relive Vinson CSG)

USS Nimitz (CVN-68)
USS Curtis Wilbur (DDG-54)
USS Lenah Sutcliffe Higbee (DDG-123)
USS Gridley (DDG-101)
USS Wayne E. Meyer (DDG-108)

Vinson CSG (Note supposed to end deployment will see if deployment gets extended)

USS Carl Vinson (CVN-70)
USS Princeton (CG-59)
USS Sterett (DDG-104)
USS William P. Lawrence (DDG-110)

Ford CSG (heading to Mediterranean 5th/6th fleet)

USS Gerald R. Ford (CVN-78)
USS Winston S. Churchill (DDG-81)
USS Bainbridge (DDG-96)
USS Mitscher (DDG 57)
USS Mahan (DDG-72)
USS McFaul (DDG-74)

Other US Ships operating in CENTCOM AOR or that could be called to CENTCOM AOR

INDOPACOM
USNS John Lewis (T-AO-205)
USS Santa Barbara (LCS-32)
USS Savannah (LCS-28)

EUCOM
USS Thomas Hudner (DDG-116)
USS Arleigh Burke (DDG-51)
USS Forrest Sherman (DDG-98)
USS Lewis B. Puller (ESB-3)
USNS Dewayne T. Williams (T-AK-3009)
USNS Laramie (T-AO-203)

CENTCOM AOR
USS The Sullivans (DDG-68)
USS Truxtun (DDG-103)
USS Milius (DDG-69)
USS Ralph Johnson (DDG-114)
USS Georgia (SSGN-729)
USNS Amelia Earhart (T-AKE-6)
USNS Cesar Chavez (T-AKE-14)
USNS Guadalupe (T-AO-200)

NSA Bahrain
MV Ocean Trader
USS Sentry (MCM-3)
USS Gladiator (MCM-11)
USS Dextrous (MCM-13)
USS Devastator (MCM-6)
USS Canberra (LCS-30)

PATFORSWA (USCG)
USCGC Charles Moulthrope (WPC-1141)
USCGC Robert Goldman (WPC-1142)
USCGC Glen Harris (WPC-1144)
USCGC Emlen Tunnell (WPC-1145)
USCGC John Scheuerman (WPC-1146)
USCGC Clarence Sutphin Jr (WPC-1147)
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Total Naval Aircraft 231 Manned Aircraft and 3+ UAS Heading Toward or already in CENTCOM AOR

132x F/A-18E/F Super Hornet
15x EA-18G Growler
12x E-2D Hawkeye
18x MH-60R Seahawk (carriers)
18x MH-60S Seahawk (carriers)
28x MH-60R Seahawk (destroyers)
2x MH-60R Seahawk (cruiser)
3x MH-60R Seahawk (LCS)
3x MQ-8 Fire Scout (LCS)

Total VLS cells, missile tubes and box launchers: 2,052

Ship Class Breakdown

Aircraft Carrier (CVN)3
Destroyer (DDG)18
Cruiser (CG)1
Guided Missile Submarine (SSGN)1
Littoral Combat Ship (LCS)3
Expeditionary Sea Base (ESB)1
Fleet Replenishment Oiler (T-AO) 3
Dry Cargo Ship (T-AKE)2
Cargo Ship (T-AK)1
Mine Countermeasures Ship (MCM)4
Coast Guard Cutter (WPC)6
Special Mission Ship (MV)1
What is the position of the British aircraft carrier HMS Queen Elizabeth?
 

manqiangrexue

Brigadier
Where is the proof than other than what Iran claims.
1. 2025 Israel - Iranian conflict
Gonna ask @sheogorath to elaborate

2. Don't need proof. If they hid a command center under a civilian center before you can morally assume that all of their civilian centers are open game and that's how they operate.

3. Don't need proof. They do it to you so you can do it to them.
it is true, you might want to but that doesn’t mean its moral or right especially when civilians are involved.
For the reasons outlined above, it is absolutely moral and right, to any country that acts as Israel but especially even more to Israel because their own people from the President down to the street sweeper proclaim, "No one is innocent." It's their own words. They're not innocent and they deserve everything dealt to them; they're all guilty from the horse's mouth. Why are you trying to say that they are innocent civilians when they all declare themselves to be guilty?
killing civilians will never lead to peace and nether will mass destruction, Israel and any other country will only attack more and more destructive when killing civilians is involved it has never worked and never will
Oh ok. I guess if you say, "never" enough times, it becomes true LOL. Hey, I have a question: is there peace today between Native Americans and the current American government? How was it achieved? Through peaceful negotiating or through killing so many Native Americans that they just gave up? Live history to prove you wrong even though logic should have done it easily.
 
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