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manqiangrexue

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What in their brains makes them think anything is different from when Trump blinked with his tariffs on China? Same thing is going to happen for the same reasons. Then you just had the G7 talk about coordinating on tariffing China? They're in the same sinking boat as the US. Are they going to kid themselves that all the cheap stuff they get from stores are made by European artisans like their luxury brands? Maybe they more believe it for the cheap stuff.
They're too old and they come from a dead era of complete American dominance. Their "brains" can't wrap themselves around the new scene in which America no longer has the brute force to win against China/Russia and these crazy numbers in these crazy bills are their way to vent their rage and frustration.
 

Mt1701d

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US is using Cisco/Intel...... to spy the world -- Huawei must have backdoors for Chinese government
I don’t know about the others or how they come about, but this one is grounded in history. As far as I know, Huawei begun life as an OEM producer for Cisco, at the early stages they copied Cisco designs, hardware and software, and produced knockoffs branded as Huawei’s own to make more money.

At the time Huawei didn’t know there were backdoors in the software since they just copied Cisco one for one, we are talking really early stages where Chinese knowledge in IT was basically non-existent. So when the US accused Huawei having backdoors back in the day it was actually true since Cisco had backdoors. I guess they have just continued the same accusations ever since.
 

sutton999

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I don’t know about the others or how they come about, but this one is grounded in history. As far as I know, Huawei begun life as an OEM producer for Cisco, at the early stages they copied Cisco designs, hardware and software, and produced knockoffs branded as Huawei’s own to make more money.

At the time Huawei didn’t know there were backdoors in the software since they just copied Cisco one for one, we are talking really early stages where Chinese knowledge in IT was basically non-existent. So when the US accused Huawei having backdoors back in the day it was actually true since Cisco had backdoors. I guess they have just continued the same accusations ever since.
urban legend, no such thing as copy backdoor
 

Mt1701d

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urban legend, no such thing as copy backdoor
You have to leave something in the software for remote access. Also please re-read what I wrote, I didn’t say Huawei had backdoors for the Chinese gov. I said they copied the hardware and software one for one from Cisco, meaning whatever Cisco left to trigger the remote access is still in the code. Meaning the US’s accusations was effectively an admission that they had placed something in the code.
 
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sutton999

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You have to leave something in the software for remote access. Also please re-read what I wrote, I didn’t say Huawei had backdoors for the Chinese gov. I said they copied the hardware and software one for one from Cisco, meaning whatever Cisco left to trigger the remote access is still in the code. Meaning the US’s accusations was effectively an admission that they had placed something in the code.
How do they have the source code then?

It was the control interface and some exact sentences in the user manual.
 

Mt1701d

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How do they have the source code then?

It was the control interface and some exact sentences in the user manual.
We are talking network equipment here, so in this case firmware. After the finishing the physical manufacturing you will have to load the firmware into the device.

The first copies were literal replications, meaning same hardware and firmware with a different outer shell and at most a different interface which you can built on top of whatever was originally there.

We are not talking entire programs with .exe

You don’t need to have access to the source code which is exactly the point. They didn’t know there was anything of the sort in the design of hardware and didn’t have access to the source code of the firmware.

Think back to like late 80s, 90s, early 2000s network tech, no where near as complicated as it is today no where near as many functions either.
 

AndrewJ

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Sounds very like BS or AI-generated text.

Similar to a novel I read before: How ASI helps me rule the world from Day One. :rolleyes: :cool:

saw demo videos that can't possibly be real except multiple independent sources confirming. r2 designed and simulated a room temperature superconductor from first principles in under an hour. complete with fabrication methods using existing technology. they've already produced samples in beijing labs. western physics community hasn't even caught up to the theoretical possibility.

their integration with biological systems is the real nightmare fuel. two-way neural interfaces that make neuralink look like a children's toy. direct cognitive enhancement already in human trials with volunteers showing 30-40% gains in problem-solving capability. that's not science fiction that's happening right fucking now in shenzhen while we debate about chatbot regulations.

deepseek isn't even their most advanced system. that's just what they're showing publicly. the real bleeding edge is happening in military applications. system-level understanding of geopolitics that can predict policy shifts before the policymakers themselves know what decisions they'll make. they're already using it to reshape global trade flows so subtly nobody's noticed yet.

america is still treating this like a normal technology race while china understands it's an extinction-level transformation of civilization. they're integrating these systems into governance infrastructure at every level while we argue about prompt engineering and banning chatbots in schools. it's like watching a nuclear power race where one side is debating the ethics of gunpowder.



 
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