The Kashmir conflict 2025.

Gloire_bb

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Furthermore, Russian radar, avionics, networking, and electronics capabilities are non-competetive (Russia's ability to manufacture AESA radar *may* actually be behind that of India), and Europeans are also starting to fall behind in these areas. The only project of value I see for the Indians would be Su-57 with full transfer of technology and eventual 100% domestic production.
India doesn't produce anything AESA yet as far as I'm aware. Only exhibition pieces.
Russia was apparently delayed by external factors - felon radar suit was ready for series production in 2015, it's the initial airframe that failed.

Yes, that is true. However, since the PLAAF operates a small batch of Su-35, the PLAAF is very familiar with the radar. Initially the PLAAF exercised frequently with the Su-35s, but concluded that its radar was prone to jamming by the J-10C/J-16 and found the Su-35 ineffective at operating in the heavily contested EM environment that PLAAF fighters were expected to operate in.
Irbis reportedly calculates very well through eurocanard/anerican jamming over Syria.
 

plawolf

Lieutenant General
Jai Shankar: Before operation Sindoor, I told Paki not to intervene our operation, but they don't listen to me! They're not moral!


Don’t fall for more Indian cope.

It’s always best to judge actions rather than words, especially in India’s case.

If it was as how they claim, that they went in thinking the PAF wouldn’t get involved and that this was basically a sucker punch by Pakistan, then why did the IAF go totally AWOL for the rest of the fight?

If you got sucker punched by someone, the natural reaction would be to hit them back with all your might.

For the IAF, loosing 5-6 fighters, even 3 Rafales, is a small and almost inconsequential number from a combat effectiveness point of view. They still had plenty of planes, and far more Rafales that they could have hit the PAF back with.

If the PAF only managed to achieve its kills due to attacking the IAF unprepared, why didn’t the IAF come back prepared and in overwhelming numbers to avenge the slight?

The fact that the entire IAF quit the field and dared not to come back for round 2 tells you loud and clear what really happened and how the IAF rated their own chances against the PAF.

The rest is just propaganda jamming and chaff being thrown out by Indians to try and distract from how badly they were shown up. Ironically, if the IAF could spam and jam countermeasures half so well, their planes might never have been shot down.
 

enroger

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Impossible

Quite unbelievable isn't it? India is the one doing a surprised raid, they can easily commit their limited AWACS; It is Pakistan that needed to constantly rotate AWACS in patrol
Don’t fall for more Indian cope.

It’s always best to judge actions rather than words, especially in India’s case.

If it was as how they claim, that they went in thinking the PAF wouldn’t get involved and that this was basically a sucker punch by Pakistan, then why did the IAF go totally AWOL for the rest of the fight?

If you got sucker punched by someone, the natural reaction would be to hit them back with all your might.

For the IAF, loosing 5-6 fighters, even 3 Rafales, is a small and almost inconsequential number from a combat effectiveness point of view. They still had plenty of planes, and far more Rafales that they could have hit the PAF back with.

If the PAF only managed to achieve its kills due to attacking the IAF unprepared, why didn’t the IAF come back prepared and in overwhelming numbers to avenge the slight?

The fact that the entire IAF quit the field and dared not to come back for round 2 tells you loud and clear what really happened and how the IAF rated their own chances against the PAF.

The rest is just propaganda jamming and chaff being thrown out by Indians to try and distract from how badly they were shown up. Ironically, if the IAF could spam and jam countermeasures half so well, their planes might never have been shot down.

Can't agree more. I've made this point before and I'll say it again: If India's failure was due to ROE then they would have tried again with proper ROE, to get some paybacks.

This ROE thing has been circulating everywhere is just the latest Indian cope and I'm surprised even people here are falling for it
 

Gloire_bb

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Either Chinese EW is massively ahead of the rest of the world, or one of rumors appears to be wrong.

Especially in case of the J-10c, which without self defense pod doesn't carry much in terms EW in the first place, as even ARMs require a yet another, separate pod.
No volume; there's a solid reason behind the well known "D" prototype.
 
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Either Chinese EW is massively ahead of the rest of the world, or one of rumors appears to be wrong.

Especially in case of the J-10c, which without self defense pod doesn't carry much in terms EW in the first place, as even ARMs require a yet another, separate pod.
No volume; there's a solid reason behind the well known "D" prototype.
Does the rest of the world possess working Su-35 radars to study or functional Su-35s to exercise against?

And recent events do suggest Chinese EW capabilities are very likely to be superior to at least European EW capabilities. PLAN's ability to counter jamming by Growlers indicate it wouldn't be entirely improbable for Chinese EW capabilities to have surpassed American capabilities as well. Would it be too far fetched that a nation with the largest electronics industry in the world and the most advanced software capabilities by far be the top 1 or 2 in EW?
 

plawolf

Lieutenant General
Either Chinese EW is massively ahead of the rest of the world, or one of rumors appears to be wrong.

Especially in case of the J-10c, which without self defense pod doesn't carry much in terms EW in the first place, as even ARMs require a yet another, separate pod.
No volume; there's a solid reason behind the well known "D" prototype.

Or neither Americans/Europeans or Russians were using their full EW capabilities in Syria since they weren’t actively shooting at each other.

There is a world of difference between using limited EW capability in ‘safe mode’ and test and probe opfor to try and gauge capabilities and tease out intel compared to no-holds-barred life and death full-power unrestricted usage.
 
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