The Kashmir conflict 2025.

Neurosmith

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MTCR don't apply to AAM unless you have 500kg warhead.
"systems which can carry a payload of 500 kilograms for 300 kilometres"
Which actually corroborates my point...the Chinese developed an export variant not due to export restrictions but to hide the PL-15's full capabilities.
 

zyklon

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Even if the PLAAF did have something new in the pipeline, the PL-15 will continue to be the mainstay PLAAF BVRAAM for the near foreseeable future;

Maybe thoroughly upgraded versions of the PL-15 that may or may not even be designated as such.

With the AIM-260A entering US service (soon), there's no way the PLAAF is going to "stay idle" with the PL-15 as is.

having its peformance leaked to a potential adversary or losing an intact unit to be examined & taken apart would be an unacceptable breach of security.

From a signature management perspective, the PL-15's most sensitive subsystems are its AESA seeker and ECCM devices, both of which should be upgradable to a reasonable degree without hardware changes.

As such, exporting domestic versions of the PL-15 is not necessarily a big deal.

In fact, I dare say, the imminent conflict between Pakistan and India may present a great opportunity to trial certain Chinese made weapons (against a second rate adversary so the PLA may be better prepared against a certain first rate adversary).

I have heard from PAF sources that PL-15 was given because China has already got something better coming ‘on line’ take that for whatever you want.

That is correct, but the real issue is that there's been no authoritative confirmation that the PAF has indeed received the "PLAAF version" of the PL-15.
 
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ohan_qwe

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Is anyone knowleadable about how the terrain is in Kashmir and the rest of the border? Is it suitable for heavy armor?

Do we have information of the drone capebility on both sides?
 

phrozenflame

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Something will happen. Simply because it will be a political suicide if Modi doesnt act. To what degree, that is the question.

Surgical strike 1 was fiction, but its Indian media, so it flew. Balakot was a disaster, from A to Z, initial strikes missing target and most Indians still believe that Abhinandan shot down F-16. They even gave him the highest military award (LMAO).

He will be forced to act. Even Indian supreme court hanged one of the suspects in Parliament attack despite no evidence because 'Public conscience' demanded it.

Public conscience being fueled by fake news.

China has taken a principled stance essentially echoing Pakistan's call for impartial investigation and calming the fuck down. Basically, saying provide actual fucking evidence. Pakistan is saying this because theyre confident they got nothing to hide.

Nobody with basics of IR expects China to be directly involved, they never have been in this theatre and there is frankly no need for it.

Last time, they were involved was Korea and Vietnam, nor the situation is the same. India isnt America and Pakistan isnt North Korea. Hence there is no need for an intervention. At best at best, it would be Pakistan buying emergency logistics. Pakistan's first use of nukes threshold is much higher than say any serious contemplation of direct Chinese intervention. Hence, again, there is no geopolitical framework for China's direct kinetic intervention.

Would China provide some sort of political cover and logistics supply? China has already essentially echoed Pakistan's stance, so thats that and logistics supply is par normal, nothing extraordinary or out of the FP playbook in such situations.

China provided logistical cover to Russia against much stiffer opposition of US-EU combined, to keep them bogged down and keep fucking up America's pivot to Asia. Similar situation with Iran. It diverts US's increasingly lesser and lesser resources from Pacific front.

What is then, India compared to combined EU-US?. Why wouldnt China not capitalize on another potential rival bogging themselves down. India's worth to the west is its future potential to be China's rival. If that future potential keeps getting pushed back, it gives China more time to focus on its internal disagreements with the rebel province.

Those saying China should directly intervene, do not understand how China plays the game. Similarly, those saying China would never interfere directly or indirectly, do not understand how China plays the game. Both sides are incorrect on their assessment IMO.
 

TK3600

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The Pakistani Defense Minister is literally saying "it is likely that [indecipherable] India will attempt an incursion of Pakistan and will engage Pakistan militarily."


While senior Indian officials are
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for war against Pakistan, or in some cases, the
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, which could only be achieved militarily:


Yet you suggest "nothing will happen."

How are you so optimistic, comrade?

What do you see that the rest of us are missing?
If it happens, it will be a good thing for China. Until it happens, it is nothing to pay attention to.
 

tamsen_ikard

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They're worse (quite a bit worse, even) than India right now in a Ukraine-war-esque land fight.
Not true at all. India and Pakistan has complete technology parity when it comes to military. The only difference is numbers. And even in numbers India pretty much has double the personnel, tanks and other ground force items. Considering the fact that India had 9 times the gdp of Pakistan, this is not that much of a difference.

In air force India of course has more planes but Pakistanis planes are more modern, smaller and more manuverable for the most part.

The big difference is mainly naval power, which is understandable since Pakistan's main threat is from ground and air. Pakistan can take out Indian ships with A2/AD missiles.

We also need to keep in mind that India has to keep atleast 50% of its forces and air force towards China. So, Pakistan will likely face equal numbers. I think this will be a stalemate.
 
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