Pakistan can handle itself, chill.
The Kashmir conflict 2025.
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FriedRiceNSpice
Captain
China doesn't believe the world needs a leader, and China believes that sovereign states have an inviolable right to manage its own internal affairs.
Pakistan isn't a natural ally like US and UK.
They are just useful for China like how Saudi Arabia is useful for US. US couldn't stop Saudi for diceing a journalist either.
Pakistan has been a US ally as much as it has a China ally. It's not China's responsibility to babysit pro-China Pakistani leaders. Russia plays this role as much as the US (just with less success) but China ... you couldn't tell me one modern leader who is clearly a Chinese puppet. Even India had Bangladesh.
Myanmar is probably the closest example and China let the military coup out a relatively pro-China leader.
It shows that China is much more inwardly focused - internal reforms, self improvement, economy, finance, industry, technology, development, infrastructure.
Pakistan with the recent coup can turn on China. Why not keep things neutral and positive if possible. It doesn't take much effort. Pakistanis sometimes expect China to completely babysit them into becoming some developed nation. That isn't China's role even as an ally. It is Pakistan that allowed Khan to get couped.
Myanmar is probably the closest example and China let the military coup out a relatively pro-China leader.
It shows that China is much more inwardly focused - internal reforms, self improvement, economy, finance, industry, technology, development, infrastructure.
Pakistan with the recent coup can turn on China. Why not keep things neutral and positive if possible. It doesn't take much effort. Pakistanis sometimes expect China to completely babysit them into becoming some developed nation. That isn't China's role even as an ally. It is Pakistan that allowed Khan to get couped.
Personally I don't think a great power can be isolationist for any period of time.
But I think this is the reason China's stance of multipolarity might be closer to the truth rather than just real-politik. They don't want to deal with any of this. Again, that doesn't seem like its a good thing for a great power nation but I'll leave that to the party to decide.
The disconnect between Pakistan’s ruling elites, military establishment, and the everyday populace is staggering. This mirrors dynamics in states like Egypt, Jordan, Bahrain, and Syria, where entrenched power structures operate in isolation from public needs and aspirations. The systemic issue lies in how external powers leverage incentives—or withhold them—to shape nations’ trajectories. Those who align with foreign agendas are rewarded (IMF bailouts, FDI, geopolitical backing), while those resisting face destabilization: exclusion from financial lifelines, isolation via institutions like FATF, and relentless diplomatic pressure. Pakistan’s current leadership exemplifies this paradox. Despite claiming democratic legitimacy, it capitulates to external demands—even as those same powers enable atrocities like Gaza’s devastation. The moral bankruptcy is glaring: governments cling to power by appeasing patrons, even if it means betraying Kashmiris, emboldening sectarian factions, or deepening public disillusionment. Over time, economic despair and the contrast with neighboring prosperity risk eroding solidarity in Kashmir, further fracturing the region. China should at least withhold the military support unless popular mandate is established.
Not true, natural ally is someone who will ally with you because of need and common interest. Pakistan and China are natural allies due to their opposition of India. As long as India is big country with 1.4 billion people, they are a threat to both Pakistan and China.
Pakistan and US are not natural allies anymore because they don't have a common enemy of soviets. So, they are slowly drifting apart.
Alliance is defined by common interest, not culture. China has so much common with Japan and SK, and yet so much enmity.
why are IK fans so stupid, khan was a disaster and it was a good day when he got kicked out, as to Pakistan we are slowly moving forward and the Armed Forces are to stop the craziness of democracy to get out of hand.
solarz
Brigadier
How did propping up "allies" like Ukraine and Israel work out for the US?
The Chinese authorities are not stupid. Propping up your preferred candidate for PM of Pakistan is not their job or problem.
TBF the Pakistani military has its fair share of problems, but at the end of the day, it's the only institution with both the stability and resources to keep the country of Pakistan together.
You're not going to sucker the Chinese into fighting your domestic political battles no matter how much fear mongering you aim for.
China is not the US.
The Chinese are not interested in "nation building," "democratizing," or otherwise "fixing" Muslim countries that fail to align with your or the Western shitlib's vision for modernity and justice.
The Chinese respect the Muslim world enough to believe that Muslim countries, like the ones you enumerated, possess both the means and right to sort out their domestic politics themselves.
China does not share Uncle Sam's propensity for dysfunctional self righteousness, or overextending itself in the name of moral falsehoods.
Too bad USAID is no longer around to employ people such as yourself to pave the road to Hell with good intentions.