Trump 2.0 official thread

[manqiangrexue]

No. Just adding some realism to the discussion.

You have "realism" confused with "wishful thinking by a MAGAtard."

The negotiations haven’t even started, and we acting like they failed already.

They've been going on for over a week with Bessent asking anyone to step up to sign the first one, saying it'll be the best deal. Then we have countries like Japan saying they're in no rush to sign anything because everything needs to be verified to Japan's interest. Similar comments coming out of UK, etc... Vietnam was practically begging to talk and now it's not signing shit either. Remember, that America needs decisively different results in its favor. Negotiating with hard-asses over details or equal exchange is not the goal.

We did have Malaysia, however, stand out and say it stands with China against Trump. Now that's how a fast and effective talk results.

There’s going to be this tug and pull between US and China for the next 20-30 years. We acting like it’s over already.

You wish you can last 20-30 years against China. The America of 2005 is basically the same America in 2025. The China of 2005 was an insect compared to 2025 China and China already leads in tech in several critical tech fields (and is moving faster in all), has a much larger PPP economy, and has the fastest military build-up in the world with a military that America already cannot contend with in Asia. You think you have 2-3 decades on this trend? We'll cash you out in 1.

EU and other countries will now abandon America?

Wasn't gonna happen before, but possible now with Trump the chief "negotiator" calling everyone ass kissers as they stepped up to negotiate. Now the only ass kisser is Trump saying how much he respects his dear friend Xi while Xi doesn't even talk about Trump.

Some also mentioned EU will make their own weapons. How long is that going to take? Not long ago people were saying EU is rapidly de industrializing.

If you have a dream of America reindustrializing, then they can have theirs of the EU doing the same. But honestly, without America the trouble-maker, they don't really need any arms anyway.

 

[Africablack]

There’s going to be this tug and pull between US and China for the next 20-30 years. We acting like it’s over already. EU and other countries will now abandon America?

They won't abandon America but they aren't going to abandon China wholesale either. This talk of "with us or against us" is useless in this new world we're entering into.

 

[Mt1701d]

The “old order of business” is over.

Yes it is, and Trump nuked it, and that is the point.

The US expects it to be business as usual, by this I mean everyone will continue to just follow along. And that is exactly the problem at hand for the US.

These Individual countries are indeed small and vulnerable. The best they can do is some balancing act.

Yes, you are getting it, they will have to put the balancing as the top priority, therefore the US’s demand is a death sentence, as such the negotiations has no upside for them and that is also a part of their leverage because all they have to do is deny what the US wants the most, which is to contain China.

No these countries do not have “equal” leverage when it goes against America.

Again, yes they don’t have equal leverage but they all have at least one leverage that was presented to them by what the Trump admin has revealed

And no, plaza accord 2.0 is not the objective for all countries. That’s impossible, Trump knows that.

Have not turned against anyone except the fallacy in your logic that somehow the grand plan is leaked. Trump, Rubio…been talking about China for almost 10 years.

Well from all the info that has been revealed so far Plaza 2.0 is exactly what the US wants. And Trump with all his antics doesn’t seem like he thinks it’s impossible, this is by the sheer fact 2 of the main points seems to be industrial re-shoring and to contain China.

The grand plan doesn’t have to be leaked, he and his advisers have presented and revealed it multiple times, they want tariffs in place regardless of negotiation, they want industrial re-shoring and they want to contain China, it’s not like the grand plan is a secret at this point.

No. Just adding some realism to the discussion.

The negotiations haven’t even started, and we acting like they failed already.

There’s going to be this tug and pull between US and China for the next 20-30 years. We acting like it’s over already. EU and other countries will now going to abandon America?

Some also mentioned EU will make their own weapons. How long is that going to take? Not long ago people were saying EU is rapidly de industrializing.

The thing is you are not adding realism, you are simply asserting without any explanations except the same old story, Trump said he was going to re-order world trade, by definition you can’t use the old models to predict anything anymore, we are simply making speculations based on the events happening in the here and now.

By all accounts negotiations have started, the Trump admin has stated they are close to a deal. Or otherwise they are lying through their teeth.

Yes, there is going to a tug and pull, and that’s the point, Trump wants the other countries to cut off China, if the expected outcome was going to be a tug and pull then his objective is by definition a failure. The other countries will not abandon the US for sure but they will not abandon China either, because abandoning either will not be good to their survival chances.

What do you mean, the EU has a military industrial complex, granted its small, but that’s mainly because of the reliance on US equipment, but that’s seems to be coming to an end, tho not a sure thing yet. It’s also good for the EU that Trump decided to nuke trust at this moment as the EU still has some capacity to re-industrialise their military industrial complex, so yea Trump and his winning is going to help all those companies that were about to die off.

 

[MortyandRick]

No. Just adding some realism to the discussion.

The negotiations haven’t even started, and we acting like they failed already. China is closely watching the outcomes of these negotiations.

There’s going to be this tug and pull between US and China for the next 20-30 years. We acting like it’s over already. EU and other countries will now abandon America?

Some also mentioned EU will make their own weapons. How long is that going to take? Not long ago people were saying EU is rapidly de industrializing.

Not realism but just your wishful thinking lol.

I like hearing what you have to say it is give me a glimpse of how MAGAs cope with their current predicament. The mental gymnastics is interesting.

Where were you when trump unilaterally decreases tariffs on Chinese electronics and other high value export items without china giving anything in return?

I don't think he has a plan if he wanted 'allies' to help him could have done it in a much better way

 

[zscstephen]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1912539408202350690

 

[ficker22]

You going to like me a lot.

Listen, freedom of speech and such, but get your argumentation coherent atleast or get your cracka azz out of here and touch gras, ffs.

 

[BlackWindMnt]

No. Just adding some realism to the discussion.

The negotiations haven’t even started, and we acting like they failed already. China is closely watching the outcomes of these negotiations.

There’s going to be this tug and pull between US and China for the next 20-30 years. We acting like it’s over already. EU and other countries will now abandon America?

Some also mentioned EU will make their own weapons. How long is that going to take? Not long ago people were saying EU is rapidly de industrializing.

The reports of the EU death are greatly exaggerated. Sure it has its flaws and we are ruled by retards in Brussels but Maga folks are talking as if EU nations went from being able to build cars and world class planes to needing to rub stick together to power our economy. The same kind of world view they have regarding China and the trade war.

As far as i know the factories have only been closed down and not demolished. So if rearming is the plan EU will have the factory halls and industrial workers to allocate to those factory lines to create those weapons. There were already reports that RheinMetal will take over some of those factory halls.

What was the saying "losing generational wealth takes only 3~4 generations" we in the EU are at generation 1 so to speak.

 

[Mt1701d]

This was quite the interesting watch, this is by The Bulwark, which I feel quite left leaning, so apply salt, but still an interesting watch. Especially between 9:40 - 10:40 very entertaining. @Captainquirk tho there is no evidence presented, still you might want to listen and consider.

 

[AndrewS]

@Captainquirk


Trump negotiated a deal with Canada and Mexico in his first term. Now he has torn it up and unilaterally placed tariffs on them.

The Supreme Court has ruled against some of Trump's actions, yet Trump just ignores this.

There is no coherent plan/strategy/objective with to tariffs.

Even if a country signs a deal with Trump, none of them can trust America to honour such a deal.

So what is the point of signing a deal with Trump? Sure, you might get a reprieve, but it's likely only temporary.

And if such a deal means joining the USA in a hostile containment policy against China, well, remember that it looks like China is enacting wartime-level economic policies. So the Chinese reaction will be likely be vicious against any country which joins the US in a hostile China containment policy. Remember China is a larger trading partner for most countries in the world.

So it's far better for countries (both large and small) to resist American demands to contain China. And if Trump wants to escalate the tariffs again, we'll likely see another "crisis" in US Treasury government bonds.

Also look at how Europe now sees America as a hostile superpower. European Government officials are being issued burner phones and laptops due to fears of US espionage. And it looks like near universal agreement that the US is a security threat.

Remember that Trump sides with Russia over the Ukraine war, and also says he will take Greenland.

So Trump is both an economic and military threat to Europe

Sure, Trump might be gone in 4 years time, but his successors may be even worse.

 

[Captainquirk]

@Captainquirk


Trump negotiated a deal with Canada and Mexico in his first term. Now he has torn it up and unilaterally placed tariffs on them.

The Supreme Court has ruled against some of Trump's actions, yet Trump just ignores this.

There is no coherent plan/strategy/objective with to tariffs.

Even if a country signs a deal with Trump, none of them can trust America to honour such a deal.

So what is the point of signing a deal with Trump? Sure, you might get a reprieve, but it's likely only temporary.

And if such a deal means joining the USA in a hostile containment policy against China, well, remember that it looks like China is enacting wartime-level economic policies. So the Chinese reaction will be likely be vicious against any country which joins the US in a hostile China containment policy. Remember China is a larger trading partner for most countries in the world.

So it's far better for countries (both large and small) to resist American demands to contain China. And if Trump wants to escalate the tariffs again, we'll likely see another "crisis" in US Treasury government bonds.

Also look at how Europe now sees America as a hostile superpower. European Government officials are being issued burner phones and laptops due to fears of US espionage. And it looks like near universal agreement that the US is a security threat.

Remember that Trump sides with Russia over the Ukraine war, and also says he will take Greenland.

So Trump is both an economic and military threat to Europe

Sure, Trump might be gone in 4 years time, but his successors may be even worse.

Ever wonder why Trump and the far right side with Russia. A lot has to do with ideology, race and culture. Not all of it due to China.

Anyway, let’s see what happens with Europe. But Trump talking about invading Greenland, yet Denmark is still willing to buy F-35s.

Burner phones for European citizens traveling to U.S. European officials likely have secure phones and diplomatic immunity as per tradition.