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[manqiangrexue]

Why not cancel. America needs us so badly to contain China. We cancel, America will come begging anyway.

Bessent's already begging in the White House! But also, this added leverage for them doesn't mean that these countries have an absolute advantage against the US; they are still individually small and vulnerable. If they can preserve the old order of business, they would be happy to. But America doesn't want that, does it? What this does is even up the leverage and prevent the US from scalping them one-by-one. Those negotiations and deals are now meaningless to the US because it needed quick and decisive Plaza Accords with each one. Now, they get long, drawn out crap that goes nowhere or budges the line in inches back and forth rather than miles to America's advantage.

The EU, however, is something else. They are one of the 3 big economic entities in the world. They can just walk away and have the US come beg because America absolutely needs the EU just to still be relevent in the trade war against China. It's just a matter of whether they are smart enough to see that and brave enough to use that.

This is all you got? I reply to you with point-to-point to ensure I rebut everything you say. And this is your one-line cop out response? LOL

EU is weak, divided, and a vassal when it comes to foreign policy.

True, but they've never been pushed like this before. It's about as harsh a wake-up call as you can give them. Every day with Trump, it's new territory... of American stupidity.

If Trump leaves in 3.5 years and another president tries to make amends, EU will gladly oblige.

1. Is he leaving? Seems he wants to remove term limits.
2. You just said you love Trump! Now you're turning on him and looking forward to him leaving??
3. Every couple of years these Western fuck-ups cause in hiccups is more time bought for China. Every couple of years, the West looks at China again and it's a new beast that made its former self look like an empty shell. And it was a losing battle for them just dealing with that shell before. So time is a factor here; you don't have any presidential terms you can afford to just throw away.

 

[Mt1701d]

lol, you still think it’s leaked. The rest of the world must be really stupid to not see that one coming.

—If what you say is true regarding loss of leverage bc Trump leaked his plan to contain China, then these other countries should’ve immediately cancelled their plan to negotiate.

—That would have given them leverage. Wait for America to come to them. Yet…….they still coming.

Line them up.

That’s the most ridiculous reasoning ever, any countries are ultimately self serving, so of course they will still negotiate, there is no downside to it, but if they simply left then they create the downside for themselves, why do that?

But it doesn’t mean what has been ‘revealed’, since you are sensitive to the word leaked, wouldn’t be included into the negotiation strats, at which point it becomes the their leverage.

Again, there is absolutely no point in not negotiating. Plus even if the team is in the US, what makes you think they won’t just delay the meeting. And yes this is speculation so no need to think too much on this point and fantasise about your strong US.

EU is weak, divided, and a vassal when it comes to foreign policy.

If Trump leaves in 3.5 years and another president tries to make amends, EU will gladly oblige.

They maybe everything you described but they are self serving like any politician / political group. They are already trying to move away from the US in terms of military equipment, what make you think things haven’t changed from before?

Again Trump nuked the trust, even if they are weak, so what? They will seek their own survival and the US is not presenting a survival strat or even a survival option. Your point is moot.

 

[Captainquirk]

Bessent's already begging in the White House! But also, this added leverage for them doesn't mean that these countries have an absolute advantage against the US; they are still individually small and vulnerable. If they can preserve the old order of business, they would be happy to. But America doesn't want that, does it? What this does is even up the leverage and prevent the US from scalping them one-by-one. Those negotiations and deals are now meaningless to the US because it needed quick and decisive Plaza Accords with each one. Now, they get long, drawn out crap that goes nowhere or budges the line in inches back and forth rather than miles to America's advantage.

This is all you got? I reply to you with point-to-point to ensure I rebut everything you say. And this is your one-line cop out response? LOL

True, but they've never been pushed like this before. It's about as harsh a wake-up call as you can give them.

1. Is he leaving? Seems he wants to remove term limits.
2. You just said you love Trump! Now you're turning on him and looking forward to him leaving??
3. Every couple of years these Western fuck-ups buy is more time for China. Every couple of years, the West looks at China again and it's a new beast that made its former self look like a shell. So time is a factor here; you don't have any presidential terms you can afford to just throw away.

The “old order of business” is over.

These Individual countries are indeed small and vulnerable. The best they can do is some balancing act.

No these countries do not have “equal” leverage when it goes against America.

And no, plaza accord 2.0 is not the objective for all countries. That’s impossible, Trump knows that.

Have not turned against anyone except the fallacy in your logic that somehow the grand plan is leaked. Trump, Rubio…been talking about China for almost 10 years.

 

[manqiangrexue]

The “old order of business” is over.

Unfortunately for you, because that wasn't holding you back; that was your lifeline.

These Individual countries are indeed small and vulnerable. The best they can do is some balancing act.

Yeah, they were about to get Plaza accorded by the US but now it's balanced. Let's see Trump get anything worth a shit out of them now.

No these countries do not have “equal” leverage when it goes against America.

There is a difference between using logic/evidence to rebut something, and simply stating the opposite. You did the latter purely out of your own wishes.

America had leverage over their exports to the US, which were an important part of their economy. Now, they have leverage because they know that the US needs them for its shield of human bodies against China. And on top of that, America needs them to not heavily increase trade and relations with China. So it's more or less equal, maybe more in favor of the little guys as soon as they figure out that a mass walk-out into China's camp leaves Washington cooked. Or they can stay for negotiations and extract things out of Washington. Whichever.

And no, plaza accord 2.0 is not the objective for all countries. That’s impossible, Trump knows that.

LOLOLL What do you know about what he knows? LOL You wanted to line 'em up and shake 'em down. That is the figurative definition of making them sign their Plaza accords. Now, it's impossible.

Have not turned against anyone

You were just talking about how things could turn around once Trump leaves. Didn't you say he was your hero?

except the fallacy in your logic that somehow the grand plan is leaked.

I never said that because I never believed that the current US administration has the brains or organization to have a grand plan. This is just the latest failing swing in an uncoordinated bout of rolling in the mud that America does as it copes with a rising China that it cannot stop.

Trump, Rubio…been talking about China for almost 10 years.

And this is the stupid shit they came up with? Gimp America's economy and global standing when the US was no match for China even without these injuries? China's been not giving a shit about them for well longer than that, just growing our economy, technology and military.

 

[azuazu]

We regularly look down on the Koreans, Vietnamese etc. To quote some of the past comments from this forum: “the entire manufacturing capacity of Vietnam is smaller than one province in China.” So Trump is right, they are nothing.

'We'? Who the fuck are you?

 

[Captainquirk]

'We'? Who the fuck are you?

You going to like me a lot.

 

[manqiangrexue]

'We'? Who the fuck are you?

He used "we" as if he were American, then he uses "we" again as if he were from other countries:

Trump 2.0 official thread

EU will be rich with Chinese goods?? Respond to me again when EU signs a free trade deal with China. And yes the smaller countries are nothing. We regularly look down on the Koreans, Vietnamese etc. To quote some of the past comments from this forum: “the entire manufacturing capacity of...

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"America needs us so badly to contain China. We cancel, America will come begging anyway."

You going to like me a lot.

You're right for the first time. I like kicking you around alot. Like it this time, liked it before on your old accounts too.

Come on, post more stupid shit for me to tear up; I'm bored at work!

 

[azuazu]

You going to like me a lot.

I have nothing against pro-American jingoists but you? You talk like a goddamn snake.

Learn how to be human first before you lump yourself with the rest of us.

 

[Captainquirk]

I have nothing against pro-American jingoists but you? You talk like a goddamn snake.

Learn how to be human first before you lump yourself with the rest of us.

No. Just adding some realism to the discussion.

The negotiations haven’t even started, and we acting like they failed already. China is closely watching the outcomes of these negotiations.

There’s going to be this tug and pull between US and China for the next 20-30 years. We acting like it’s over already. EU and other countries will now abandon America?

Some also mentioned EU will make their own weapons. How long is that going to take? Not long ago people were saying EU is rapidly de industrializing.

 

[azuazu]

No. Just adding some realism to the discussion.

The negotiations haven’t even started, and we acting like they failed already.

There’s going to be this tug and pull between US and China for the next 20-30 years. We acting like it’s over already. EU and other countries will now abandon America?

Some also mentioned EU will make their own weapons. How long is that going to take? Not long ago people were saying EU is rapidly de industrializing.

Don't change the topic you slimy little shit.

You talk as if you represent every group out there while pushing a pro-American agenda in your writing. You even have the fucking audacity to write as if you represent all of us here.

Have some fucking balls and own your own position. Don't have to be ashamed of your stance - its okay to be a pro-American jingoist.