China's policy making is much more flexible than Japan or Korea's with much more levers to pull. Also, Korea and Japan's super low fertility problem started much earlier than China's. And China is already developing a system for .
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That is what the hysteria part enters and is not just China is worldwide. You don't to be a "totalitarian state" once the population hysteria kicks in.
What is going to happen when the states in the US with strict reproductive control ban rules have huge population increases compared to the more urban and wealthier states? What is going to become the norm in the US?
In4ser
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Not flexible enough, seeing how long it took to repeal the One Child Policy. As a larger and more populated country, China is like a large cruise liner, it's hard to implement change once momentum has been built up. That's why its national policies are often broad and vague lest it become pigeonholeed by a mistake. It's tectonic when things go right, but also when things go wrong.
By the way, China already has a lower fertility rate than Japan because of how fast the problem is accelerating.
I think is 1.50 a bit higher.
They still put an entire country of babies in a single year.
In4ser
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2022 was 1.18 and 2023 was 1.09, so I think 2024 is more of an outlier because it was the Year of the Dragon. However, I do hope I am wrong.
AssassinsMace
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I read the other day that China was forcing an overcapacity of AI in the world. Translation... the US can't compete. Who else has AI where China squeezed them out? No one. Just like the overcapacity narrative was all about how the world, aka the West, can't compete against China. The West is demanding China hold back on their AI that the West is not using.
Don't be surprised that Sam Altman was paid to say that about India. Indians do that... pay industry "leaders" to say India is up there when they ain't. The only people moved by what others say are Indians. That's why they want it said. Jack Welch said that in a trip to India. Jeff Bezos also said it and now Sam Altman. Not too long ago he said India can try to build their own AI model but flat out said they were going to fail. Now all of the sudden Indians are going to listen to him?
Trump will tack on tariffs because he thinks he can use them in negotiations. Look at TikTok. Trump said if China sells TikTok to an American he might remove some tariffs. Which ones? The ones he just tacked on? He removes it and he'll tack on more to get something else. This way the US doesn't really give up anything. Trump just said he's the one who ultimately gets to decide who in the US gets to buy TikTok. Well then why is expecting China to sell when he makes that decision? That's why no negotiation is going on over TikTok because China isn't talking about it. If the US doesn't need TikTok, then just let die and they can cheer how they think China lost a lot of money. But no... they want it. They need it.
Don't be surprised that Sam Altman was paid to say that about India. Indians do that... pay industry "leaders" to say India is up there when they ain't. The only people moved by what others say are Indians. That's why they want it said. Jack Welch said that in a trip to India. Jeff Bezos also said it and now Sam Altman. Not too long ago he said India can try to build their own AI model but flat out said they were going to fail. Now all of the sudden Indians are going to listen to him?
Trump will tack on tariffs because he thinks he can use them in negotiations. Look at TikTok. Trump said if China sells TikTok to an American he might remove some tariffs. Which ones? The ones he just tacked on? He removes it and he'll tack on more to get something else. This way the US doesn't really give up anything. Trump just said he's the one who ultimately gets to decide who in the US gets to buy TikTok. Well then why is expecting China to sell when he makes that decision? That's why no negotiation is going on over TikTok because China isn't talking about it. If the US doesn't need TikTok, then just let die and they can cheer how they think China lost a lot of money. But no... they want it. They need it.
Scott Bessant clearly deeply trusted by Trump:
Xi purges yet more top generals as PLA loyalty questioned....oh wait!
Xi purges yet more top generals as PLA loyalty questioned....oh wait!
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This is exactly what's going to happen in the future, like it or not. And there won't be any donors, the embryos that go into the artificial wombs will be manufactured as well; their genomes will be designed by AIs and made using synthetic biology tools now being developed on bacteria and yeasts.
As for what kind of society China will be when the state sets the birth rate like it sets the interest rate? It'll be one without the demographic problems people here whine endlessly about.
There will be no decline.
Only the weak surrender to entropic forces. If the situation is as grave as you think, then the obvious technological solution I sketched out is inevitable.
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In4ser
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That sounds like a eugenics hell that countless Sci-Fi novels warn about. Hope this new generation won't be created using a similar criterion for intelligence, strength, and beauty, as it would make their genetic makeup lack any real diversity. Sure, they'll all be perfect (in the same way) and become easy targets for genetic disease, both natural and artificial. Progress is about competition, mistakes, and destruction as much as it is about harmony, success, and creation. They co-exist together as night and day. To destroy the natural order is to try to establish absolute order, which is the closest thing to true oblivion.
My issue with the South Korea video and demographers doomsayers is the hysteria and the lack of truth about the consequences of such hysteria. Yes put incentives for people have more children, give money for children, free daycare, keep housing prices low and flexible working hours. If the birth rate goes up by a little is ok, is not the end. But when hysteria kicks then is when you see government putting punitive measures and that should be talked more and even force.