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I'd just like to leave everyone with a prime dystopian vision since that's what my prognostications always get met with. The "artificial wombs" people talk about are not going to be mechanical devices like the incubators in use today or even elaborate bioreactors used to grow tissues in the lab. They're going to be transgenic animals, most likely pigs. The reason is once you've engineered a pig lineage that can bring a human embryo to term (a monumentally difficult problem, but one that need only be solved once), the marginal cost drops through the floor since it can be endlessly cloned.

The day will come when transgenic pigs carry synthetic human beings to term.

"I'd just like to leave everyone with a prime dystopian vision .... The day will come when transgenic pigs carry synthetic human beings to term."

I thought you said "dystopian," not "utopian."
 

In4ser

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The dude is using diapers.

The entire world and including your country is going to be a collectivist society if this hysteria continues on,
Nah, I think we'd self-destruct before that happens. Individualism runs deep in this country. 'Murica is not a homogenous ethnostate like China. There are too many different identities that are prioritized over the common good, like race, religion, and ideologies. I don't even know what it means to be "American" anymore. Besides, when times get tough, people become selfish, and collectivist structures tend to crumble. It will likely become a patchwork of smaller states, possibly like the Warring States/Warlord period. That said, I'm more confident about Texas than most other states (looking at you, California).
The day will come when transgenic pigs carry synthetic human beings to term.
"I'd just like to leave everyone with a prime dystopian vision .... The day will come when transgenic pigs carry synthetic human beings to term."

I thought you said "dystopian," not "utopian."
He brags about Eugenics but unintentionally creates a race of Orcs. I thought Elves were supposed to be the master race!
 

pmc

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China's policy making is much more flexible than Japan or Korea's with much more levers to pull. Also, Korea and Japan's super low fertility problem started much earlier than China's. And China is already developing a system for
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Japan has slow decline. below 1m only came around 2016 but now it has accelerated. Japan wealthy country by Asian standards and can attract alot of people but the Japan as a power decline will be next to impossible to reverse. even reaching TFR of 2 will not change the trajectory. Japan is the most studied country and obviously Soft Powers cannot write everything in public otherwise Europeans and Japanese would know about it so they give this task to some one no can complain. this just last two years.

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Japan's birth rate falls for ninth consecutive year​


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Births in Japan are at a record low and the population is at its lowest point by the largest margin​


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Japan records its largest population decline in 73 years​

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Record decline in Japan's population​

 

Eventine

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People are talking about birth rates here. I don't think people are paying enough attention to the fact a lot of people struggle to fulfill the basic needs of having a stable long term job with full health benefits and decent pay, a house they can pay off, a car, getting married etc. Something that will affect most countries. India for example is already below replacement birth rate and they were supposed to be hyped for it.

This is just a basic milestone for a lot of men for example. Yet I think a lot are going to struggle to meet it in the future. Its not even that countries are lacking the money. Its just due to science and technology as well as the way the workforce develops, a lot of jobs are going away while the number of educated workers keeps going up and the requirements to even achieve the first one keeps going up as competition increases. And this problem spreads into many other fields.

So we already have so many problems before even thinking about having kids which is going to be another set of difficulties.

Honestly Im surprised this isn't talked about more. I think governments, think thanks etc dont wanna talk about it because this is a much more dire and urgent problem which they have no solution for so far.
Governments are mainly just looking at each other; none of them have a clue on how to solve it, so they stopped talking about it to avoid making empty promises.

But South Korea recently raised its marriage rate by ~20% in 2024; that's a significant improvement that other governments should be paying attention to, as marriage rates are one of the biggest contributors to fertility. Just for comparison, China's marriage rate dropped by ~20% in the same year.

People really underestimate the destructive effects of low fertility, mainly because they haven't experienced it for any significant period of time. Ask the Japanese, who have experienced it, and how their country went from one of the most competitive, innovative economies in the world, to a nation of dinosaurs who let every opportunity in the last twenty years slip by.
 
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