Should China respect sanctions on Iran?

[bladerunner]

of course they'll decline
the iranians dont even trust the west

LOL: "Trust" Thats a bit rich for the Iranians. After all the Help Israel gave to the Iranians during the Iran/Iraq war, and to now, turn against them.IMO "Trust Honor decency" doesnt exist in the Iranian vocab.


Anyway Im too old to change my mindset. Anyway what Ive suggested is rather tame compared to my peers suggestions.

 

[bladerunner]

many people have said many things, you got to see what they actually did. Actions are driven by domestic politics, usually, and many things are just posturing. You could find similar things said by the west or the communist about each other.

And people were rather dismissive in the ramblings/writings of a certain little German Corporal.

 

[ravenshield936]

LOL: "Trust" Thats a bit rich for the Iranians. After all the Help Israel gave to the Iranians during the Iran/Iraq war, and to now, turn against them.IMO "Trust Honor decency" doesnt exist in the Iranian vocab.


Anyway Im too old to change my mindset. Anyway what Ive suggested is rather tame compared to my peers suggestions.

1. there are no permanent friends in this world, not to mention politics
2. go look up what the US/UK were involved in iran's history and you'll get why the iranians don't want the west inside their country. the west are so imperialistic, they tried to exert their influence to control another nation wherever they find benefits. apparently they tried themselves on the iranians. seeing that happen, do you think the iranians will let them return?

the west failed 30 years ago, and it seems they're trying again. simply shows how persistent they are to get what they want

 

[jantxv]

Interesting, as we here quibble about past history made, people that matter are making things happen with historic consequences. In hardly surprising news, events in the Middle East will attempt to force hesitating hands.

Updated April 14, 2010
The Wall Street Journal

JERUSALEM—Syria has transferred long-range Scud missiles to the Lebanese Shiite militant group Hezbollah, Israeli and U.S. officials alleged, in a move that threatens to alter the Middle East's military balance and sets back a major diplomatic outreach effort to Damascus by the Obama administration.

Israeli President Shimon Peres on Tuesday publicly charged President Bashar Assad's government with transferring Scud missiles to Hezbollah's forces inside Lebanon. Syria and Hezbollah both denied the charges. But the allegations already are affecting U.S. foreign policy: Republicans pressed on Capitol Hill to block the appointment of a new American ambassador to Damascus, according to congressional officials. The White House said it was pressing ahead.

The Scuds are believed to have a range of more than 435 miles—placing Jerusalem, Tel Aviv and Israel's nuclear installations all within range of Hezbollah's military forces. During a monthlong war with Israel in 2006, Hezbollah used rockets with ranges of 20 to 60 miles.

Israeli officials called Scud missiles "game-changing" armaments that mark a new escalation in the Mideast conflict. They alleged that Mr. Assad is increasingly linking Syria's military command with those of Hezbollah and Iran.

Officials briefed on the intelligence said Israeli and American officials believe Syria transferred Scud missiles built with either North Korean or Russian technology.

Rumors of the arms transfer had been swirling around Jerusalem and Washington for more than a week, but both Israeli and U.S. officials initially declined to confirm the reports. "Syria claims it wants peace while at the same time it delivers Scuds to Hezbollah, whose only goal is to threaten the state of Israel," Peres said in an interview with Israeli radio.

Hezbollah is a well known NGO that enjoys enormous Iranian support. Now that Hezbollah MAY possess a delivery system that is technically capable to carry nuclear weaponry, Israel will act sooner rather than later.

Disregarding the nuclear issue, taking into consideration that Hezbollah now MAY have the capability to hit conventionally no less than 5 world capitals, it is no wonder the Chinese leadership is voicing the thoughts we have been reading in recent days.

Obviously, the CCP leadership cannot allow China to support the outfitting of Non Governmental Organizations with such tactically offensive ballistic weaponry. It is hard to see how allying with Iran against sanctions adds to the strategic defense of China by leaping into the flaming maul of the Middle East at ground zero no less. I'll put my trust in the CCP leadership any day rather than follow mob rule.

 

[Engineer]

of course they'll decline
the iranians dont even trust the west

Iran is smart to decline, because those are traps instead of genuine offers. Had Iran accepted, it would have lost its nuclear program in exchange for an empty civilian nuclear powerplant, where all the essential technologies to make it work are barred from being exported to Iran.

So a couple a hundred countries press corps got bored with had nothing to report, so they made up the story ?

First, which couple hundred of countries press corps reported that Iran wants to "utterly destroy Israel"? I dare you to list them. If you can't, then don't throw random numbers around. Secondly, Western media is 100% untrustworthy. As we have already witnessed in 2008 Tibet riot and 2009 Xinjiang riot, Western media doesn't report facts. It massage facts to promote its own views. Then, we also have

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, where the Western media didn't find the interviewee's answer suitable and conjured up a translation instead. Given these prior records, the answer is yes, the Western media made up the story unless you can prove otherwise.

The Iranian Press and other pro Iranian supporters certainly went to great lengths to put a different spin on it, claiming it was a misinterpretation and figure of speech.... lol.

Of course, you can easily prove them wrong by finding the original statement that says they want to "utterly destroy Israel". It is that simple really.

 

[s002wjh]

First, which couple hundred of countries press corps reported that Iran wants to "utterly destroy Israel"? I dare you to list them. If you can't, then don't throw random numbers around. Secondly, Western media is 100% untrustworthy.


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US, france, europe, japan, and many other asia country, do a gooogle search u find plenlty source, not just western media. the problem with iran, is its support for terroist, and if one of the terroist get a hold of nuke from iran, thats a No no for US. if the terroist use it on US soil, and US find out its from iran, then its goodbye iran. and china can kiss goodbye with iran oil and all those billions investment.

btw i don't think china want a nuclear iran anyway even if the US is not involved.

 

[solarz]

US, france, europe, japan, and many other asia country, do a gooogle search u find plenlty source, not just western media

How are those countries listed "not just western media"?

 

[s002wjh]

How are those countries listed "not just western media"?

do some search on baidu or xinhua, or whatever website you trust. there are plenty comments from iran president indicate he want blow up israel

 

[LostWraith]

There's no denying that the Iranian government/Ahmadinejad has at some point said they wanted to destroy Israel. Most Muslim middle eastern countries have said that at some point. There have four major wars and countless smaller conflicts.

Rhetoric is rhetoric, and Ahmadinejad says things like this to rouse public support in the same way US presidents speaks rhetoric about NK to rouse public support. Both realize that most of their population like to hear these things and both are smart enough to know that actual military action = disaster. You have to treat governments and bodies of power, even those of the enemy, as rational beings with reasonable objectives. These objectives may be disagreeable due to cultural differences, but to treat the Iranian government as an irrational body bent on the destruction of Israel at all cost is unwise.

 

[Mr T]

Rhetoric is rhetoric

Out of curiosity, would you say the same about the Taiwanese general who referred to the possibility of the HF-IIE reaching the Three Gorges Dam? Chinese netizens got pretty upset about that and argued it was a good reason why Taiwan shouldn't be allowed to buy arms.

As for Iran, China needs to ask itself the question "do I support nuclear proliferation?" Because things won't stop with Iran - Iraq, Egypt, Saudi Arabia and maybe others will go nuclear as well. Once that happens, can China be sure that terrorists won't get their hands on a nuke one day and set it off in Beijing?

Also unless China really wants to keep its nukes at any cost, how can it achieve global disarmament (or at least reductions to very low levels) if the nuclear states keep growing in number? We need to rid the world of nuclear weapons and that won't happen if anyone can get them with impunity.