Chinese Soft Power and Media Discussion and Updates

[GOODTREE]

Would replacing casual sex with masturbation robots really promote family values and increase birth rate? I don't consume much Chinese media, what's the portrayal of sex like nowadays in Chinese drama / movies? Do they promote family values or has it become more casual like the west?

I haven't watched TV or any media for a few years either, and I'll tell you from what I remember from a few years ago, and sometimes random glimpses of it now: Any depictions of sexuality shown on television or official streaming platforms never go beyond kissing and two people sleeping in the same bed. No sexual acts are shown.

 

[coolgod]

Don't see the connection.

I don't understand how much clearer I can get. We need robots for labor. We don't need robots for sex. They don't go hand-in-hand and saying no to one isn't saying no to the other.

No not really. You can't fuck a tractor or forklift, can you? The creation of robots for sex is an entirely new and degenerate branch of robotics and it is entirely natural for a work-purposed humanoid robot to look just like this:

Yes it will. Degenerate values destroy societies.

Yes, pulling ahead in productivity by using robots for labor. This has nothing to do with sex bots.

Don't see the connection.

I have no objections to robots that replace human labor; this isn't about that at all.

I don't know what a best scenario for humanity even means because humanity is divided in in its goals. But from a Chinese perspective, no. I would be wonderful if America or Israel led in the sex bots industry (of course, China will lead in the labor bots industry) and the plummetted the fertility rates in the West while China banned them from import.

But this is all a bit premature because it is assuming that they are even capable of replacing a human sexual partner, which they are currently not and far from it. Like I said above, they may just be limited to use for the incels and losers to keep them from going postal from rejection rage and be kept out of the mainstream from stigma.

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I'm not a fan of incel culture, but it seems like China is liberalizing attitudes towards sex, this includes sexbots. Pregnancy robots might be allowed by the CPC since China bans surrogacy but still has a positive attitude towards controversial reproductive technologies e.g. He Jiankui. Some of the more reproductive technology topics is more suitable for the demographics thread.

I brought up the topic in this thread because I think some contradictions regarding the adult entertainment topics is untenable in China now.

1. Domestic consumers are using foreign currencies/crypto to pay domestic creators on foreign platforms for adult entertainment content. This includes content including real humans and ones that don't.

2. Chinese video games are quite dominant around the world nowadays, many utilize various levels of sex appeal.

3. The advancement of new technology spurred by Chinese developers with applications for dating and sex e.g., LLM based AI boyfriends, image/video generation, humanoid robotics.

China's dominance in tech is undeniable now, but China's soft power is still not there yet. I think China's existing regulations around this area is hindering the advancement of China's soft power now. Some people might think what's the big deal, sexuality is not an important part of soft power, I disagree.

Think about the sexual attractiveness standards back in ancient greece/rome, ancient China compared to today. These standards don't just mold people's brains, they also mold people's bodies, binding back in the day it was corsets, breast binding, foot, today it is plastic surgeries. A wild theory I have is that I suspect the smaller breast size common in East Asian woman today can be partially attributed to sexual selection due to the thousand year practise of breast binding in Ancient China.

If China is going to be a cultural superpower, it should also be able to set standards in society (domestic and overseas), including topics such as ideal body type, fetishes. This can be achieved easier by loosening some of the restrictions around sexual content in China.

 

[Eventine]

Fertility rate decreases in the West in spite of a liberal sexual culture, not because of it. You have got the relationship confused. The culture that most commonly uses inanimate objects to satiate sexual urges is Japan. From human-sized waifu pillows to sillicon asses to sexualized cartoon characters in general, even Japanese animation fantasizes about a society where near-perfect robotic clones of women can be purchased by men so they no longer have to strive to please anyone to be in the ideal relationship (Chobits anime). And the result is that Japanese men have a global reputation for being reclusive, meek, and sterile. This is actually true when you see that foreign men are almost always successful in Japan simply by putting themselves out there and actively communicating their desires to women. It's also well known that Japan has a lower fertility rate than the West. Seeing all this, who would want to emulate what Japan does?

South Korea has the lowest TFR in the world , and it is a relatively sexually conservative society that bans pornography. I don't know where you are going with this. Initially it sounded like you wanted more sexual liberation, now it sounds like you want more sexual conservatism, but either way, it doesn't matter - sex is not the same as family and you'll never get more children just by promoting sex.

In general, and this is not specific to robots or AI, improvements to the online aspect of sexual entertainment have a detrimental effect on fertility. When men look forward to spending Saturday night in front of their computers with a bottle of lube, those men aren't out there trying to find sexual partners that may lead to real relationships. Experiences stack up and eventually, they are out of the game and women become more feminist because lack of male interest makes them bitter. Then the alpha males who enjoy the hunt spurn these women more because those alphas are not only not interested in average women, they're actively making fun of these women for being ugly and undateable, and that adds to the festering of bitter hateful feminism that is a contagion in the female community.

I don't think sex is what incentivizes men or women to have children. Failure of birth control is not how most children come into the world in developed countries.

Children are a deliberate decision, and societies with high TFR tend to be those motivated by strong family values either via religion, economics, or culture. Banning sex robots won't result in more children. But it will result in the loss of an important global market that is sure to be billions if not trillions in the future.

 

[proelite]

South Korea has the lowest TFR in the world , and it is a relatively sexually conservative society that bans pornography. I don't know where you are going with this. Initially it sounded like you wanted more sexual liberation, now it sounds like you want more sexual conservatism, but either way, it doesn't matter - sex is not the same as family and you'll never get more children just by promoting sex.


I don't think sex is what incentivizes men or women to have children. Failure of birth control is not how most children come into the world in developed countries.

Children are a deliberate decision, and societies with high TFR tend to be those motivated by strong family values either via religion, economics, or culture. Banning sex robots won't result in more children. But it will result in the loss of an important global market that is sure to be billions if not trillions in the future.

Some universal income for married folks, even more for each child + subsidized housing + other welfare. Make it so that a family of three can thrive on one parent having minimum income in tier 3 and below city. A family of five with two children doesn't have to work at all.

 

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Interesting perspective. Author wrote alot but he points one thing about part of why Chinese soft power has problems, that has puzzled Chinese, yet is instinctively obvious to Indians:

为什么中国舆论场上一提贤妻良母家务做饭就无数人跳脚， 可嫁到国外后，今天我给家人做了一大桌饭，人家甚至要专门拍个视频炫耀，评论区也一堆祝福的呢？你能想象中文互联网上有人拍个视频今天我给老公一家做了一大桌饭，然后评论区的画风吗？

做题家们思考了三天三夜都找不到答案，而印度人只用了一秒就明白道理。 因为等级不一样，给高等级婆罗门做饭是荣耀，是值得拍视频留念的，你一低等级达利特，那能一样吗？ 为什么中国人难以融入欧美，而印度人如鱼得水？因为中国人很难理解西方底层逻辑，而印度人理解欧美没有任何门槛，他们非常深刻的理解，在人人平等的口号下，还有不同层级这个前提。

The author believes that the point is that China's behavior doesn't matter, only that China is designated as a dalit in the western caste system, therefore anything that China does is bad. Meanwhile, Indians instinctively know who is a dalit and who is a Brahmin and most importantly, it does not matter the specific behavior of the Brahmin or dalit, only that whatever the dalit does is wrong and whatever the Brahmin does is right.

In fact, the reason why Indians do better in the west while doing poorly at home is precisely because Chinese are fooled by the words of the west calling for equality and freedom, while Indians see it for what it is - a caste system - and they are intimately familiar with it.

 

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Interesting perspective. Author wrote alot but he points one thing about part of why Chinese soft power has problems, that has puzzled Chinese, yet is instinctively obvious to Indians:


The author believes that the point is that China's behavior doesn't matter, only that China is designated as a dalit in the western caste system, therefore anything that China does is bad. Meanwhile, Indians instinctively know who is a dalit and who is a Brahmin and most importantly, it does not matter the specific behavior of the Brahmin or dalit, only that whatever the dalit does is wrong and whatever the Brahmin does is right.

In fact, the reason why Indians do better in the west while doing poorly at home is precisely because Chinese are fooled by the words of the west calling for equality and freedom, while Indians see it for what it is - a caste system - and they are intimately familiar with it.

Isn't that precisely what we have been saying? Indians, recognizing the caste system, "saar" to the Westerners, while the Chinese stick to their principles, keep their heads down and focus the task in front of them.

 

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Interesting perspective. Author wrote alot but he points one thing about part of why Chinese soft power has problems, that has puzzled Chinese, yet is instinctively obvious to Indians:

The author believes that the point is that China's behavior doesn't matter, only that China is designated as a dalit in the western caste system, therefore anything that China does is bad. Meanwhile, Indians instinctively know who is a dalit and who is a Brahmin and most importantly, it does not matter the specific behavior of the Brahmin or dalit, only that whatever the dalit does is wrong and whatever the Brahmin does is right.

In fact, the reason why Indians do better in the west while doing poorly at home is precisely because Chinese are fooled by the words of the west calling for equality and freedom, while Indians see it for what it is - a caste system - and they are intimately familiar with it.

Indians don't do better than Chinese in the west, India just sends an obscene amount of people.

China has half the expatriation rate of America, the number of work visa holders in US from China is proportionally only the same rate as from Germany.

A few mostly high paid specialist that are mostly on temporary visit can't compete with a whole ass exodus. Especially because like all major nationalities, China jealously guards her best/most skilled population.

 

[manqiangrexue]

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https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1899000105937907758

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1873052945815941279

I'm not a fan of incel culture, but it seems like China is liberalizing attitudes towards sex, this includes sexbots. Pregnancy robots might be allowed by the CPC since China bans surrogacy but still has a positive attitude towards controversial reproductive technologies e.g. He Jiankui. Some of the more reproductive technology topics is more suitable for the demographics thread.

There is no such thing as pregnancy robots. If we can make one, which we are very very far from, that is another discussion.

(Your birth mother was a robot; she shortcircuited when you were 3 so your dad threw her out and bought your current mother. She's got a 10 year warranty so you should be set for a while unless your dad gets a promotion and decides to upgrade. Hey, it's better than not existing, right?)

I brought up the topic in this thread because I think some contradictions regarding the adult entertainment topics is untenable in China now.

1. Domestic consumers are using foreign currencies/crypto to pay domestic creators on foreign platforms for adult entertainment content. This includes content including real humans and ones that don't.

This needs to stop. I agree

2. Chinese video games are quite dominant around the world nowadays, many utilize various levels of sex appeal.

OK no problem. What's the issue?

3. The advancement of new technology spurred by Chinese developers with applications for dating and sex e.g., LLM based AI boyfriends, image/video generation, humanoid robotics.

This, if done well, can be a huge problem. If it can't achieve that level, then danger averted.

China's dominance in tech is undeniable now, but China's soft power is still not there yet. I think China's existing regulations around this area is hindering the advancement of China's soft power now. Some people might think what's the big deal, sexuality is not an important part of soft power, I disagree.

Think about the sexual attractiveness standards back in ancient greece/rome, ancient China compared to today. These standards don't just mold people's brains, they also mold people's bodies, binding back in the day it was corsets, breast binding, foot, today it is plastic surgeries. A wild theory I have is that I suspect the smaller breast size common in East Asian woman today can be partially attributed to sexual selection due to the thousand year practise of breast binding in Ancient China.

If China is going to be a cultural superpower, it should also be able to set standards in society (domestic and overseas), including topics such as ideal body type, fetishes. This can be achieved easier by loosening some of the restrictions around sexual content in China.

For sure, you are not suggesting that more needs to be done to feed Western fetishism over Chinese/Asian women, right? Yellow fever is so rampant in the West, it's probably not possible to boost it more. You've got to be asking for something else.

I don't believe in soft power. Once you have dominant hard power, your culture will spread and your form will be worshipped, no matter what it is.

South Korea has the lowest TFR in the world , and it is a relatively sexually conservative society that bans pornography. I don't know where you are going with this. Initially it sounded like you wanted more sexual liberation, now it sounds like you want more sexual conservatism, but either way, it doesn't matter - sex is not the same as family and you'll never get more children just by promoting sex.

I don't think sex is what incentivizes men or women to have children. Failure of birth control is not how most children come into the world in developed countries.

Children are a deliberate decision, and societies with high TFR tend to be those motivated by strong family values either via religion, economics, or culture. Banning sex robots won't result in more children. But it will result in the loss of an important global market that is sure to be billions if not trillions in the future.

Where I'm going with it is written right here.

Chinese Soft Power and Media Discussion and Updates

I don't wish to see this normalized as an industry in China due to its negative effects on the character of a society, but you can't suppress it totally as people will find an outlet some way or another. Chinese entertainment companies operating in foreign countries where it is legal would be...

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Read and respond to all of the points that form the entire chain starting with sex robots weakening men by removing thier sexual competition-motivated drive for self-improvement to causing them to leave the dating game alogether. Having children is usually a deliberate decision, but before we even get there, we need to set all the conditions to arrive at the oppertunity to make that decision between a loving couple with solid finances (typically buttressed by a strong male performance attained from training himself from the early years to be a strong competitor in the dating game). Sex robots drive more men to simply give up on that training, then give up the dating game, leave those women for foreigners who have not given up, and keep the decision of whether to have children firmly out of his reach given his situation.

That's all assuming that sex bots are even good enough; which they are currently far from being. They may very well just pile up right at the bottom of society as cheap bullshit for losers and go no further. That would be the best outcome for Chinese society.

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Yeah, but when the former exists, the latter will as well. You don't want the likes of Alex Karp to be the first to start selling those so that millions of sex pests globally get under his thumb right? So no choice but for China to push first. Ban them in China. I want Alex Karp make them and...

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https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1894188790500950085

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1899000105937907758

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1873052945815941279

I'm not a fan of incel culture, but it seems like China is liberalizing attitudes towards sex, this includes sexbots. Pregnancy robots might be allowed by the CPC since China bans surrogacy but still has a positive attitude towards controversial reproductive technologies e.g. He Jiankui. Some of the more reproductive technology topics is more suitable for the demographics thread.

I brought up the topic in this thread because I think some contradictions regarding the adult entertainment topics is untenable in China now.

1. Domestic consumers are using foreign currencies/crypto to pay domestic creators on foreign platforms for adult entertainment content. This includes content including real humans and ones that don't.

2. Chinese video games are quite dominant around the world nowadays, many utilize various levels of sex appeal.

3. The advancement of new technology spurred by Chinese developers with applications for dating and sex e.g., LLM based AI boyfriends, image/video generation, humanoid robotics.

China's dominance in tech is undeniable now, but China's soft power is still not there yet. I think China's existing regulations around this area is hindering the advancement of China's soft power now. Some people might think what's the big deal, sexuality is not an important part of soft power, I disagree.

Think about the sexual attractiveness standards back in ancient greece/rome, ancient China compared to today. These standards don't just mold people's brains, they also mold people's bodies, binding back in the day it was corsets, breast binding, foot, today it is plastic surgeries. A wild theory I have is that I suspect the smaller breast size common in East Asian woman today can be partially attributed to sexual selection due to the thousand year practise of breast binding in Ancient China.

If China is going to be a cultural superpower, it should also be able to set standards in society (domestic and overseas), including topics such as ideal body type, fetishes. This can be achieved easier by loosening some of the restrictions around sexual content in China.

You realize that most of these are exported right? Republicans are gonna claim that it is a Chinese conspiracy to obliterate US birthrate pretty soon.

 

[wuguanhui]

Having children heavily gimps the social life and hurts the career progress of women. So many of them leave to their 30s for some financial and career stability before trying for children. As women age, there is an increasingly risk of birth defects and complications, men also are often less fertile. Men and women are wasting their youth working instead of fucking and having babies. The easiest solution is to promote teenage pregnancies. Teenagers are morons and often horny. They do not need any kind of government payout to have sex, and can be relied on to make dumb decisions that are individually suboptimal but better for society at large.

If you want a slightly more eugenist scheme, you can instead encourage pregnancies at universities. Getting into a university indicates an above average intellect. Parenthood can be a bonding experience for the students, and university dorms can centralize 坐月 and childcare facilities, making parenthood much less disruptive to their education and lifestyle.

Generally, the first child is going to be the most disruptive to your life. For large families, a 6th child probably doesn't disrupt more than the 5th child did, financial conditions permitting. It might be practical to pay a smaller number of healthy high IQ women to pump out a dozen babies to compensate for the lower overall fertility rate.