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Eventine

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manqiangrexue said:
I didn't want to join this debate because the original question of what kind of free porn should we allow ourselves to watch is a bit too stupid for me to want to respond to but I didn't expect it to grow tentacles and become dangerous.

But no to your notion. Normalizing sex with robots or other non-human entities is a perfect way to drop the fertility rate. Men will increasingly believe that buying sex robots/dolls is the only pleasure they need, and with that, they can can forgo the challenges and potential emotional risks of dating altogether. Go to work, make money, buy the sex bot models you want; that puts you 100% in control, right? Why take the risk of rejection by a real human female? People become more and more withdrawn from society and either become apartment hermits or form small friend groups of loser males. This reduction in the willing male population along with the horrible reputation that they will have made for themselves with these activities means that females will emmigrate for foreign men. This is a sexual dystopia, not a utopia.

Having a regulated and fully consenting people-based sex industry is a sign of a healthy society with the confidence to explore and enjoy sexuality; that is not degeneracy.

Furthermore, of all the addictions out there, the male addiction to impressing females is the most impressive driving force to self-improvement I know of. If anything, we need to harness and enhance this drive rather than to quell it with robots/AI/non-human substitutes. Men who are addicted to impressing and attracting women will stay away from all things that detract from this goal (drugs, smoking, excessive alcohol, excessive gaming, laziness, other bad habits) and force themselves into constant self-improvement (regular gym sessions, martial arts, healthy diet, learning to cook impressively, to sing impressively, to become highly educated, to earn a high income, accumulate wealth, etc...). Compare this image of a man obsessed with attracting women to the type of man who is obsessed with a collection of sex dolls at home. Which type of male do you want your society filled with?
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Sexual urge does not create families - arguably never did, but certainly not after the invention of birth control.

The West has plenty of sex. Porn is mainstream, prostitution is legal (in Europe, Las Vegas, via the internet in the US, etc.), social media is full of half-naked (or fully naked) women selling their wares to thirsty men. Casual sex, friends with benefits, open relationships, LGBTQ, etc. are at all time highs per the "sexual liberation" movement. Hollywood and MTV openly sell hedonism and degeneracy to teenagers.

What has that done to TFR? It's decreased it, as hedonism and degeneracy tend to do - because when societies emphasize the *pleasure* of sex, they are implicitly abandoning the *function* of sex, which is reproduction. You don't solve for fertility by giving people the "confidence to explore and enjoy sexuality"; in fact, that does the opposite.

Family values create families, and making sex between humans a casual affair works against family values.

Better to transfer those urges to robots, AI, etc. to emphasize that they are forms of masturbation, not to be compared with reproduction. Short of suppressing sex outside of reproduction altogether - which has never worked for long in any society - I see it as the next best strategy.
 
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Glanble666

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The plausible claim of a corruption of sexual morality loses credibility when one considers that fertility is declining at a desperate rate in many heavily regulated emerging economies.
It is simply due to the expansion of contraception. How can fertility not decline when, as in modern societies, contraception is used by all means and men who do not prefer it are treated like criminals?
And unfortunately, too much female sterilization has become entrenched in China due to past policies.
In many cases, hospitals still recommend surgery after the birth of the first child.
 
coolgod

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Eventine said:
Sexual urge does not create families - arguably never did, but certainly not after the invention of birth control.

The West has plenty of sex. Porn is mainstream, prostitution is legal (in Europe, Las Vegas, via the internet in the US, etc.), social media is full of half-naked (or fully naked) women selling their wares to thirsty men. Casual sex, friends with benefits, open relationships, LGBTQ, etc. are at all time highs per the "sexual liberation" movement. Hollywood and MTV openly sell hedonism and degeneracy to teenagers.

What has that done to TFR? It's decreased it, as hedonism and degeneracy tend to do - because when societies emphasize the *pleasure* of sex, they are implicitly abandoning the *function* of sex, which is reproduction. You don't solve for fertility by giving people the "confidence to explore and enjoy sexuality"; in fact, that does the opposite.

Family values create families, and making sex between humans a casual affair works against family values.

Better to transfer those urges to robots, AI, etc. to emphasize that they are forms of masturbation, not to be compared with reproduction. Short of suppressing sex outside of reproduction altogether - which has never worked for long in any society - I see it as the next best strategy.
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Would replacing casual sex with masturbation robots really promote family values and increase birth rate? I don't consume much Chinese media, what's the portrayal of sex like nowadays in Chinese drama / movies? Do they promote family values or has it become more casual like the west?
 
proelite

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coolgod said:
Would replacing casual sex with masturbation robots really promote family values and increase birth rate? I don't consume much Chinese media, what's the portrayal of sex like nowadays in Chinese drama / movies? Do they promote family values or has it become more casual like the west?
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Easy. Just make robots that can get pregnant.
 
manqiangrexue

manqiangrexue

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Eventine said:
Sexual urge does not create families - arguably never did, but certainly not after the invention of birth control.

The West has plenty of sex. Porn is mainstream, prostitution is legal (in Europe, Las Vegas, via the internet in the US, etc.), social media is full of half-naked (or fully naked) women selling their wares to thirsty men. Casual sex, friends with benefits, open relationships, LGBTQ, etc. are at all time highs per the "sexual liberation" movement. Hollywood and MTV openly sell hedonism and degeneracy to teenagers.

What has that done to TFR? It's decreased it, as hedonism and degeneracy tend to do - because when societies emphasize the *pleasure* of sex, they are implicitly abandoning the *function* of sex, which is reproduction. You don't solve for fertility by giving people the "confidence to explore and enjoy sexuality"; in fact, that does the opposite.

Family values create families, and making sex between humans a casual affair works against family values.

Better to transfer those urges to robots, AI, etc. to emphasize that they are forms of masturbation, not to be compared with reproduction. Short of suppressing sex outside of reproduction altogether - which has never worked for long in any society - I see it as the next best strategy.
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Fertility rate decreases in the West in spite of a liberal sexual culture, not because of it. You have got the relationship confused. The culture that most commonly uses inanimate objects to satiate sexual urges is Japan. From human-sized waifu pillows to sillicon asses to sexualized cartoon characters in general, even Japanese animation fantasizes about a society where near-perfect robotic clones of women can be purchased by men so they no longer have to strive to please anyone to be in the ideal relationship (Chobits anime). And the result is that Japanese men have a global reputation for being reclusive, meek, and sterile. This is actually true when you see that foreign men are almost always successful in Japan simply by putting themselves out there and actively communicating their desires to women. It's also well known that Japan has a lower fertility rate than the West. Seeing all this, who would want to emulate what Japan does?

In general, and this is not specific to robots or AI, improvements to the online aspect of sexual entertainment have a detrimental effect on fertility. When men look forward to spending Saturday night in front of their computers with a bottle of lube, those men aren't out there trying to find sexual partners that may lead to real relationships. Experiences stack up and eventually, they are out of the game and women become more feminist because lack of male interest makes them bitter. Then the alpha males who enjoy the hunt spurn these women more because those alphas are not only not interested in average women, they're actively making fun of these women for being ugly and undateable, and that adds to the festering of bitter hateful feminism that is a contagion in the female community.
 
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Biscuits

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manqiangrexue said:
Women are followers of men. They always have been, always will be. It is biological. When women adopt toxic feminism, it is because men have not swept them off thier feet and they are lashing out because they feel abandoned by their leaders. Some of them are just naturally ugly and nobody wants to lead them and nobody cares what they're into or what they think of men, but when they spread their ideology to attractive women, or women who have the potential to be attractive, it is the fault of men that we have not romanced them onto our side. I wrote about this previously:

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This is happening in China too btw, so I wouldn't break out the schadenfreude that quickly. Chinese birth rates in large cities are comparable to South Korea and Chinese feminists want exactly the same thing as Korean ones - no marriage, no children (unless through IVF with a white man's sperm)...
www.sinodefenceforum.com

The choice is to not release it. This is starting a fire in your own backyard that might end up burning the world. A trillion dollars is nothing compared to a generation of people who may not be born, whose fathers are turned into hikikomori because of it.

Give your own people a pep talk to avoid temptation, then set temptation on them? Doesn't seem like a good strategy.
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I think you still underrate just how much positive impact a widespread realistic humanoid robot has, and why it is extremely important to get there before anyone else. They can't just be used for masturbation, anything from maids, caretakers, servers, delivery workers, receptionists can be mechanised. Massively increasing productivity, and giving unparalled power over other countries that rely on your robots.

Being the only seller of these robots guarantee China's hegemony. On the contrary, if China absolutely refuses to release and someone else eventually catches up, they will be a challenge to China's lead. Imagine for a second the disaster if a Zionist society achieved marketable lifelike robot servants first.

You are not wrong that it can distort society's values. But I don't think China has a choice. With the invention of production lines, social values were also distorted. Peasant men and women, who before generally enter monogamic local love marriages, were instead bussed towards working in segregated mines and factories. Prostitution became widespread to relieve overwork tension and for underpaid women to have a chance at survival. I'd say the majority of pre-industrialization farmers were stronger men and women in terms of values. Only a minority of entrepreneurs/hardworking engineers had an "improvement" in ethics.

Values today have already been distorted. Pre Internet people would laugh at those paying for porn today because why would you spend on a prostitute that doesn't let you do anything? With the west doing nothing to fix their values, there is now an epidemic of undatable men and women there. For sure a similar problem exists in China, but to a much lesser degree likely exactly due to those "pep talks" (more like education focuses). So pep talks work, a little bit, not 100%. It's better than nothing.
 
manqiangrexue

manqiangrexue

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Biscuits said:
I think you still underrate just how much positive impact a widespread realistic humanoid robot has, and why it is extremely important to get there before anyone else. They can't just be used for masturbation, anything from maids, caretakers, servers, delivery workers, receptionists can be mechanised. Massively increasing productivity, and giving unparalled power over other countries that rely on your robots.

Being the only seller of these robots guarantee China's hegemony. On the contrary, if China absolutely refuses to release and someone else eventually catches up, they will be a challenge to China's lead. Imagine for a second the disaster if a Zionist society achieved marketable lifelike robot servants first.

You are not wrong that it can distort society's values. But I don't think China has a choice. With the invention of production lines, social values were also distorted. Peasant men and women, who before generally enter monogamic local love marriages, were instead bussed towards working in segregated mines and factories. Prostitution became widespread to relieve overwork tension and for underpaid women to have a chance at survival. I'd say the majority of pre-industrialization farmers were stronger men and women in terms of values. Only a minority of entrepreneurs/hardworking engineers had an "improvement" in ethics.

Values today have already been distorted. Pre Internet people would laugh at those paying for porn today because why would you spend on a prostitute that doesn't let you do anything? With the west doing nothing to fix their values, there is now an epidemic of undatable men and women there. For sure a similar problem exists in China, but to a much lesser degree likely exactly due to those "pep talks" (more like education focuses). So pep talks work, a little bit, not 100%. It's better than nothing.
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Dude, what are we talking about? Are we talking about making sex robots so guys don't have to date girls? My vote is F no. Are we talking about making robots that can carry out tasks in society to lighten the load on human labor? My answer is hell yeah. These are not the same robots; they don't have to go together. You can order a robot that is programed to do all your housework and it doesn't have to be wrapped in a fake skin to look like a movie star and then come with a heated lube-dispensing vagina and asshole, programed to moan when you fuck it.
 
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Biscuits

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manqiangrexue said:
Dude, what are we talking about? Are we talking about making sex robots so guys don't have to date girls? My vote is F no. Are we talking about making robots that can carry out tasks in society to lighten the load on human labor? My answer is hell yeah. These are not the same robots; they don't have to go together. You can order a robot that is programed to do all your housework and it doesn't have to be wrapped in a fake skin to look like a movie star and then come with a heated lube-dispensing vagina and asshole, programed to moan when you fuck it.
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Yeah, but when the former exists, the latter will as well.

You don't want the likes of Alex Karp to be the first to start selling those so that millions of sex pests globally get under his thumb right? So no choice but for China to push first.
 
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ZeEa5KPul

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This again. Look, everyone, people don't want kids. They just don't. You can blame liberalism, pornography, feminism, sex bots, prostitution, microplastics, cosmic rays, whatever bugbear you have. The fact remains: People don't want kids and they will want them even less in the future.

What's going to happen whether anybody likes it or not is that people will be manufactured by governments using biotechnology. Zygotes with synthetic genomes will be implanted into artificial wombs and the resulting children will be raised by the state.
 
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