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J-10 Thread IV
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What are the chances that American might try to put China on a CAATSA type regime to stop and stop the growth of the Chinese military export market ? China is now starting to make inroads in a number of countries.
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There are nations that are pro-West, neutral and pro-China. Most military purchases are biased with political alliances or poltical friendships. No much will be changed. Also US assertiveness is less prevalent now than before.
Perhaps a bit off-topic, but since the J-10 is being exported does that mean the J-20 might be at one point as well?
The J-10 was once a flagship aircraft (=prestige) and is an indigenous design, so clearly neither of those factors precluded (eventual) export.
The J-10 was once a flagship aircraft (=prestige) and is an indigenous design, so clearly neither of those factors precluded (eventual) export.
Egypt has been banned from getting modern long range AAM's so as not to upset the easily hurt feelings of the israelis. Which is why their F-16's have nothing more modern than the AIM-7 or MICA's for their Rafales
Doubt it. It'll be like the F-22 for the US where it's restricted for export. That's what the J-35 is for anyway.
I thought so as well, but China doesn't need to follow American precedents. The J-20 would only be like the F-22 in this regard if it shared the same underlying situation.
The F-22 wasn't exported because its primarily an air-superiority fighter while the F-35 is multirole with an emphasis on strike (and was devised from the very beginning to be a mostly multinational effort). The reasoning was that, if worst comes to worst, the F-22 could clearly defeat enemies fielding the F-35. Not to mention that the F-22 had a much greater tech gap above adversaries during its heyday. (This doesn't imply the F-22 can beat the modern F-35, given how much tech has advanced since, just that this was the thinking at the time).
There's no reason for China to follow in the same steps, unless of course the logical reasons behind it are the same. The J-20 is an air-superiority fighter, but not as solely focused on that role as the F-22 since its quite optimised for interception as well. Additionally, the J-35, while multirole, clearly emphasises air-superiority as well which means there's more overlap between the J-20/J-35 vs F-22/F-35. Finally, if the time comes when the J-20 would be considered for export, it won't be all that special anymore given how competitors have reached (or rather, were already at) generational parity.
Considering all these factors, would the J-20 really be barred from export? The J-10's situation proves that prestige of being the flagship and an indigenous design alone are not enough to avoid this fate.
Uncle Sam has and will continue to discourage and disincentivize the acquisition of big ticket Chinese made defense systems in general whether CAATSA is or isn't amended to apply to China.
However, the thing is if you're a country looking to acquire modern fighters like the J-10CE, options are pretty limited as is, especially as Russia continues to prioritize domestic defense production in favor of its immediate needs in and against Ukraine at the expense of (potential) export orders . . .
China will not be exporting the J-20 anytime soon, at least not until multiple squadrons of 6th generation fighters are in PLAAF service.
First and foremost, the Chinese do not want to subject their most advanced operational fighter to FME, and that's going to be a concern no matter who the buyer is.
There might be a few tolerable exceptions, perhaps arguably Russia and North Korea, due to both their hostility to the West and overall international isolation. However, the former would rather further develop the Su-57, and the latter isn't going to be able to afford any 5th generation fighters anytime soon.
On the other hand, countries that can afford to acquire and operate the J-20: i. simply don't need it, ii. don't want it out of fear of upsetting Uncle Sam, or iii. will sooner or later, if not sooner rather than later, let the US FME a J-20 airframe.
Odds are the J-35 will be exported before the J-20, especially as at least one version of the J-35 is reportedly being developed solely for the export market.
The problem for Egypt isn't just that Uncle Sam refuses to sell them anything even remotely competitive against the Israelis, but that Uncle Sam is also able to block most, if not virtually any and all potential sales of European alternatives as they tend to incorporate American made subsystems, nevermind their tendency to defer to D.C. in general.
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Egyptian media reporting on the deal, claiming that they’ll able to strike 300KM with new weapon. Highly doubt that they are talking about AA unless they bought PL-17. No variant of PL-15 can reach 300KM in any flight envelope.
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The typical Blahblahblah and even more some - based on such stupid reports like the latest one in Bulgarian-BS-com - claon taht theyeven already arrived!
IMO most of these post are total BS and in fact just a rumour conglomerate. I'm pretty sure it is again the typical nonsense hyped up by some fan boys and stupid pages like above, where one posts a rumour, that's then spread by another, hyped up by the next and presented as a fact by the very next only only to be presented again as a done fact like now!
Don‘t you think this even would be covered by the media if true? And also, exactly like with the PAF these EAF J-10s would have been spotted in China at CAC or GAIC first, test-flown there and seen by several spotters before ...