The aircraft is a light tactical aircraft at the level of F-16 fighters, so replacing some of the old fighters with it is useful for the Egyptian Air Force because Egypt has more than 200 F-16 fighters. The development of them is limited and for many years there are newer fighters next to the Rafale and MIG-29M fighters to increase the number of fighters. We see a large number of outdated aircraft outside. The aircraft has a chance to improve after the Russians delayed developing the MIG-35 fighters to a level that satisfies the Egyptians. Modern wars are not about fighters, but rather integrated systems and joint weapons battles. Adding it is useful for the Egyptian Air Force, but it is not the best, but rather a pressure tool on Egypt's international arms suppliers that there is an alternative, so you can get better armament from them.Some EAF fan-boys say with J-10C & PL-15, they're going to defeat Israel & protect Gaza from Trump's occupation!?
J-10 Thread IV
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Egypt has sought to diversify its fighter fleet since the Fourth Middle East War to avoid a lack of spare parts and maintenance upgrades as relations with certain countries soured.
Now they have a large number of AIM7-only F-16Cs, M2000, Rafale, MIG29 with R530, R77, MICA, all of which lack long-range ARH missiles and all have good multi-role capabilities, In this case, multi-role capability and range will not be as urgent, but good radar, acceleration and long-range ARH missiles will be important.
If the Su35S deal had gone through, the RVVBD could have filled the gap in long-range engagement capabilities, but Russia clearly does not have the ability to supply these fighters, and the J10CE and PL15E that have just hit the shelves would have been a better choice in terms of both performance and supply stability.
（I used translator, so the expression may not be accurate.)
Now they have a large number of AIM7-only F-16Cs, M2000, Rafale, MIG29 with R530, R77, MICA, all of which lack long-range ARH missiles and all have good multi-role capabilities, In this case, multi-role capability and range will not be as urgent, but good radar, acceleration and long-range ARH missiles will be important.
If the Su35S deal had gone through, the RVVBD could have filled the gap in long-range engagement capabilities, but Russia clearly does not have the ability to supply these fighters, and the J10CE and PL15E that have just hit the shelves would have been a better choice in terms of both performance and supply stability.
（I used translator, so the expression may not be accurate.)
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Egypt is one of the largest operators of the K-8 trainer and even assembled them locally in the 2000s.
Some EAF fan-boys say with J-10C & PL-15, they're going to defeat Israel & protect Gaza from Trump's occupation!?
@Gloire_bb makes a pretty convincing case on why Egypt wants J-10s: Egypt is in a rough neighborhood.
More broadly speaking Egypt has come to the realization that it can no longer depend on the US for its security.
Ever since Uncle Sam brokered peace between Israel and Egypt in the 1970s, Egypt has been a client state of the US. It's why Egypt is a major recipient of US aid: effectively bribes for putting up with Israel.
However, such arrangements are only sustainable for so long.
Trump's ongoing attempt to resettle Gazans in Egypt and al Sisi's recently canceled trip to DC should pretty much tell you why the Egyptians feel that they're no longer able to count on Uncle Sam and that it is time to further diversify their options.
Weren't the Su-35s that Egypt ordered in 2018 or 2019 CAATSA'd after some or all of the 24 airframes ordered were already completed?
In the latest Guancha podcast Yankee stated that the Egyptian Air Force F-16s are in a sorry state. The issue facing them now isn't so much that they can't fire advanced medium range missile but that on some air frames the radar has deteriorated to the point of uselessness. What makes the J-10C offer attractive is not only that it is an advanced AESA equipped aircraft with world class medium range missile but also that AVIC will be able to make fast deliveries. One challenge facing the Egyptians is that their pilots will need to adapt to 4.5th gen aircraft and associated tactics and the CAATSA thing with Su-35 really screwed them over in that regard. But Pakistan will be able to help out to a certain extent.
He also complained that the deal with the other three potential J-10CE buyers will take time because payments will be in unorthodox form (implying minerals or oil). Apparently Chinese MIC hates doing business like this because there are invisible costs and headaches associated with trying to offload these assets. Egypt despite not being a developed economy does have a lot of cash on hand, so that could facilitate the process.
As if Egypt wasn't Israel's semi-official ally...Some EAF fan-boys say with J-10C & PL-15, they're going to defeat Israel & protect Gaza from Trump's occupation!?
Just to clarify this oft-mentioned propaganda, Russia has absolutely no fault in the Su-35 saga, it is Egypt (and Indonesia btw) who caved in to US blackmail and cancelled the contract. KnAAPO built all those egyptian order Su-35s but right now it's not clear if they are still there or are being delivered to another customer.
I thought they were being delivered to Iran?
Who are the other three J-10C potential customers besides Egypt?
Regarding Su-35 for Iran, that is indeed the rumour, but until we see them in iranian colours, it remains a rumour for now.
Well I can hardly blame them for disliking payment in kind, but the political significance of signing these deals easily outweighs the financial inconvenience in my mind.
He says Egypt is a champ because it doesn’t do this sort of thing.