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sunnymaxi

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Chinese TV brands win more than half Japan's market for first time..​


In 2024, TVS REGZA, a subsidiary of Hisense that operates the former Toshiba “REGZA” brand, ranked first with 25.4%. Hisense’s own brand ranked third, accounting for 15.7%, and the group’s overall share reached 41.1%, exceeding 40% for the first time. TCL’s market share was 9.7%, surpassing Sony and Panasonic and jumping to fourth place.

Chinese companies have been developing the Japanese market with small and medium-sized TVs below 40 inches, but recently they have also launched an offensive in large-screen, high-definition products. Hisense uses “Mini LED” made of tiny light-emitting diodes (LEDs) to develop the high-priced market with TVs that can make colors more vivid even on large screens. Hisense’s TV sales in Japan have increased by 33% compared to 2023.

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doggydogdo

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I found some definitive proof that China is lying about its GDP PPP. And it's really funny how much lower they made it look so the PPP per capita is around the same as the global average.

China claims that the Price level Index for China is higher than Singapore and Taiwan. Don't laugh
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China's "Actual" expenditure is lower than countries like Sri Lanka, Thailand and Mongolia and that "real" food expenditure is lower than India's. LMAO
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Even by underestimating Chinese GDP PPP so much, The National Bureau of Statistics of China still says that PPP significantly enlarges the economy and tries to discredit it lol. They are taking "hide your strength bide your time" so seriously that they are larping as a poor "developing" country lmao.

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If you adjust for the biases, China's real economy would be basically the same as all the Advanced countries combined. Still with the per capita growth rate of India's. it really feels like that China is the only big country and other countries are small countries.

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Moonscape

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I found some definitive proof that China is lying about its GDP PPP. And it's really funny how much lower they made it look so the PPP per capita is around the same as the global average.

China claims that the Price level Index for China is higher than Singapore and Taiwan. Don't laugh
View attachment 144829
China's "Actual" expenditure is lower than countries like Sri Lanka, Thailand and Mongolia and that "real" food expenditure is lower than India's. LMAO
View attachment 144832
Even by underestimating Chinese GDP PPP so much, The National Bureau of Statistics of China still says that PPP significantly enlarges the economy and tries to discredit it lol. They are taking "hide your strength bide your time" so seriously that they are larping as a poor "developing" country lmao.

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If you adjust for the biases, China's real economy would be basically the same as all the Advanced countries combined. Still with the per capita growth rate of India's. it really feels like that China is the only big country and other countries are small countries.

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@abenomics12345 Thoughts?

The Asia Times columnist Han Feizi figured this out a while ago. China's NBS is deliberately and severely sandbagging China's economic figures for geopolitical purposes.

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It is prima facie ridiculous that China’s production and consumption, at multiples of US levels, can be realistically discounted for lower quality/features to arrive at a mere 125% of US PPP GDP.

It’s not that we think the World Bank has done a bad job. It’s that we believe China’s NBS, contrary to popular opinion, has been lowballing GDP for decades and the World Bank has to work within the confines of the NBS’s reported data. This was politically important decades ago for WTO concessions and it is politically important today to maintain developing economy status as China makes a play for leadership of the Global South.

We believe China’s GDP and PPP GDP are lowballed by an incomplete transition from the Material Product System (MPS) of national accounts, which excludes services by design. The World Bank is likely dutifully doing its sums with goods consumption in China multiples of the US but measuring services consumption as a fraction of the US.

The United Nations System of National Accounts (UNSNA) provides voluntary guidelines and specifically states that nations should base their national accounts on local conditions. What that has meant in the West is to adopt all UNSNA “innovations” introduced over the years.

Items like imputed rent, legal fees and R&D are now all included in GDP. The UK went hog wild with both illegal drugs and prostitution as now part of their GDP because… hey, why not? UNSNA’s 2008 guidelines explicitly recommend that illegal market activity should be included in GDP.

China’s NBS stood its ground on a conceptual level. Rightly or wrongly, the Leninist MPS considers services necessary costs of material production rather than real value creation. In China’s first attempt at converting MPS to SNA in 1985, it tacked on a ludicrously low 13% to the MPS number and called it China’s services GDP.

Over the years, the World Bank has twisted the arm of the NBS for modest increases to China’s services GDP – with limited success.
 

doggydogdo

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We believe China’s GDP and PPP GDP are lowballed by an incomplete transition from the Material Product System (MPS) of national accounts, which excludes services by design. The World Bank is likely dutifully doing its sums with goods consumption in China multiples of the US but measuring services consumption as a fraction of the US.
The thing is China doesn't exclude services in its GDP calculations, in fact, the tertiary sector makes up 60% of China's GDP. They literally just straight up lied to the world bank about how much things cost in China lmao.

it's so funny how this tricked everyone in the west except for some China hawks who said Chinese military spending is actually 800 billion a year lol.
 

antiterror13

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The thing is China doesn't exclude services in its GDP calculations, in fact, the tertiary sector makes up 60% of China's GDP. They literally just straight up lied to the world bank about how much things cost in China lmao.

it's so funny how this tricked everyone in the west except for some China hawks who said Chinese military spending is actually 800 billion a year lol.
did you mean "doesn't include"?
 

abenomics12345

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I found some definitive proof that China is lying about its GDP PPP. And it's really funny how much lower they made it look so the PPP per capita is around the same as the global average.

China claims that the Price level Index for China is higher than Singapore and Taiwan. Don't laugh
View attachment 144829
China's "Actual" expenditure is lower than countries like Sri Lanka, Thailand and Mongolia and that "real" food expenditure is lower than India's. LMAO
View attachment 144832
Even by underestimating Chinese GDP PPP so much, The National Bureau of Statistics of China still says that PPP significantly enlarges the economy and tries to discredit it lol. They are taking "hide your strength bide your time" so seriously that they are larping as a poor "developing" country lmao.

View attachment 144834

If you adjust for the biases, China's real economy would be basically the same as all the Advanced countries combined. Still with the per capita growth rate of India's. it really feels like that China is the only big country and other countries are small countries.

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There are a lot of free things in China that doesn’t get captured in GDP measurements.
As an example at a micro level, lots of restaurants in China do not charge for rice - it’s “produced” but without charging for it the restaurant owner, all else equal, has less revenues to pay higher wages for employees or improve services (innovate newer dishes for example).

My point has always been that GDP is not fake; the real issue is converting activity into income that is the challenge and opportunity for Chinese economy.
 
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