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The US will certainly not sell EUV to China free of conditions, no matter how much oil/gas/corns/soybeans China is willing to buy from the US. I can imagine that one of the demands would be for China to stop developing domestic EUV altogether.
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I don't understand, the US don't produce an EUVL so what's there to negotiate and even so they had an agreement the next administration will not honored it as the US are not capable of full filling its commitment and obligations.
China never banned people from buying EUV or GPUs, China never even banned anyone from buying Cisco.
But if Americans think they can sell EUV or GPUs above market value they're not going to make many sales.
A lot of people hasn't mentally adjusted to the reality that China isn't playing defence anymore. China doesn't need American EUV or GPUs, DeepSeek is releasing fronteer models for free just to f* with American AI, China is actively removing export rebates to raise prices, the only thing Americans should think about is what can they offer China to convince China to leave them a niche instead of getting anhiliated in every industry.
Case in point, if US want China to let them retain an auto industry, they can put a quota where at least 30% of American GDP must come from farming and 1/3 of US population must work on the farm, if they want China to allow them to maintain access to TSMC, they can commit to banning all development in EV, batteries and solar technology, if they want China to leave them a bone in AI instead of gutting their business with Deepseek, they can promise to cap their semiconductor industry to 1/10th China's size.
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AssassinsMace
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China has been able to accomplish technological leaps that the US thought was impossible without them. Shouldn't all those advanced chips the US thought China was hoarding been depleted already? The West needs to sell to China more than China needs their technology They're the ones in a weakened position. And once the US drops barriers to China, the rest of the West will follow each having to compete for China's attention especially if Trumps slaps tariffs on its allies.
What Trump and Xi will negotiate is the establishment of Sphere of Influence zone . For the US the establishment of Fortress America from Canada down to Panama with South America as a neutral zone, for the Chinese the Sinosphere zone and ASEAN with the exception of the Philippines, Australia and New Zealand. Will the US reverse its Pivot to Asia, yes until the next Democrat administration since it was their project under OBAMA. Will Japan acquiescence, yes if China agree for Japan to change its constitute and become a sovereign nation again.
True.
But the US can still block ASML from selling their EUVLs to China or any other country.
How does that even help? So US can move destroyers between the two oceans, except they could do that already anyway. Carriers still have to go the long way around since they don't fit.
Meanwhile China: guess what buddy, 8 more 055 into the pot.
Yes silly me, you are Correct, Because of Cymer plus they were part of Semantech a consortium funded by DARPA to compete against the Japanese.