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iewgnem

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AssassinsMace said:

This is what I hate about how Chinese think. They want to play kumbaya but they setup conflict by saying nothing, doing nothing. Here for instance the Western narrative is there’s a huge battle ahead over AI between the West and China. No there isn’t. The West will have theirs and China will have their own. What’s wrong with that? Because no one challenges the Western narrative, there’s going to be conflict because people are going to believe one has win over the other. No, it’s the West that has win and be in control over everyone else. That’s what they want. Do you see China demanding everyone has to use their AI? No, the West is saying that for theirs because they want the world to worship their AI God so everything slants pro-West. Because no one Chinese says nothing doing nothing, their narrative is what everyone hears and believes. The Chinese claim they don’t like conflict but it’s going to happen because the US and the West frame it that way if the Chinese don’t embrace their AI. And why the Chinese don’t is because they’ll say it’s China that wants to take to over everyone else with their AI because why would they make an alternative? They want everyone to think their AI can’t do wrong because it’s a machine that can’t be biased. But they don’t want China to have it because it’ll be bias…? Again crimes are determined not by the act one commits. It’s determined by who commits that act and who’s the victim of that act. And that comes out of racism. And no one sees it because you say nothing, do nothing.
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Well, as much as China prefers to not seek conflict against people who hasn't wronged China, one does not call one-self "Middle Kingdom" for 3,000 years by being pacifist when it comes to people who has wronged China, revenge is a virtue in Chinese culture and that's a detail most people in the world doesn't realize.

In this case China very much is fighting a tech war with intent to destroy the United States in all domains, including AI, so American fears are justified, regardless how little China talks about it or how much Americans actually understand it.
 
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Actually oligarchy would be a compliment since it implies at least the ruling class are competent.
America is is just old school imbred feudal theocracy
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A plutocracy is what it is-just crass loads of wealth and privilege /hedonismwith no real competence or even a work ethic for the 1-3%-check out the 2nd or 3rd generations of multimillionares/billionaires/royalty-all useless weak,perverts/drug addicts/drunks/playboys-playgirls(-no wonder the indian brahmin class gravitates to it (mirrors casteism privileges /1000years)and even thrives as the vast (shrinking) hard working,truly educated working class is being milked dry and it's their sons being sent to endless ,stupid wars to die as their lifestyle is taxed to death(and no taxes are being properly used for infrastructure/schools//medical needs etc) and their entire society is being dumbed down to sate the plutocratic elite by bread/circuses or silenced by the toxic fringe groups.
 
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AssassinsMace said:

This is what I hate about how Chinese think. They want to play kumbaya but they setup conflict by saying nothing, doing nothing. Here for instance the Western narrative is there’s a huge battle ahead over AI between the West and China. No there isn’t. The West will have theirs and China will have their own. What’s wrong with that? Because no one challenges the Western narrative, there’s going to be conflict because people are going to believe one has win over the other. No, it’s the West that has win and be in control over everyone else. That’s what they want. Do you see China demanding everyone has to use their AI? No, the West is saying that for theirs because they want the world to worship their AI God so everything slants pro-West. Because no one Chinese says nothing doing nothing, their narrative is what everyone hears and believes. The Chinese claim they don’t like conflict but it’s going to happen because the US and the West frame it that way if the Chinese don’t embrace their AI. And why the Chinese don’t is because they’ll say it’s China that wants to take to over everyone else with their AI because why would they make an alternative? They want everyone to think their AI can’t do wrong because it’s a machine that can’t be biased. But they don’t want China to have it because it’ll be bias…? Again crimes are determined not by the act one commits. It’s determined by who commits that act and who’s the victim of that act. And that comes out of racism. And no one sees it because you say nothing, do nothing.
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You're just surrounded by American media, so it looks that way. Indians do the exact opposite of China, however look how that is travelling for them (both as a country and as individual immigrants). Saying nothing leaves all the mistakes and assumptions to be made by the other side, only to suck major eggs when reality doesn't turn out that way (J-36 and SAC 6th Gen). They then react stupidly by coping, and making more unbackable claims, further increasing third party disdain for them and making themselves look silly when they get overtaken. Talking shit all the time just gets you sucked into useless energy wasting fights that have no tangible value, turning objective wins into perceived failures because 'it didn't live up to the hype', and misleading your own people.
Notice how the green revolution hype quietly went away, and now China is the spearheading nation for renewables? It's because China won the actual competition by developing real technologies, instead of wasting time, money and attention on propaganda.
All of these gripes that you mentioned - they go away naturally when you've reached a certain level of power. The other guy just sits down and shuts up (example - Indians after J36 and SAC 6th Gen flight). But notice how most Chinese don't put in anywhere near as much effort trolling as Americans or Indians do? Because it has no tangible gain, no real value other than a brief lol. That's how China has won green tech, EV, infrastructure - get real results, and real results eventually speak for themselves.
 
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China likes to pick the conflict when they have an overwhelming advantage. It was that way first with green tech, then with batteries, then drones and now cars. It'll be the same with graphic cards and AI.

When growing the platforms, China often says "there is room for both of us" etc, but the moment they pull ahead, they switch gears and suddenly it's "all ours now".

Honestly I don't know why they actually act like that, because it's not like people have real alternatives to China anyways. They follow a predictable pattern and anyone can predict what will happen next, so why bother to obfuscate it?

The whole "they setup conflict" is 100% intentional, China often wants to fight because they gain ground from doing it.
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Yes, because there's a big difference between not playing dirty and being merciful.
China doesn't care if others win or lose, China just won't lose
 
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China Shock 2.0... It is a fast and, IMHO, an informative read.
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Adam Tooz, while an European historian, readily pointed out the angst all over the Europe (especially Germany ) because of the current and inevitable China encroachment into the higher value tech (Cars, green tech...etc) where Europe had, until very recently, occupied. He is also worried about the warring posture the US has taken since around 2010. Ominously he says the political pieces for a nuclear war are falling into place in the US. I also see that and it is indeed worrying.
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China Shock 2.0 mostly seems to be whacking Europe over the head more than it does the United States - US industrial firms are at the pinnacle of the technological frontier everywhere - medical devices, instrumentation, fine chemicals, software, industrial machinery (oil refinery, materials handling, semiconductor manufacturing, power equipment, etc), electronic components/semiconductors, aerospace, etc and thus the endless US firms - such as Celanese, CF, Covestro, Corteva, Sealed Air, Corning, Westlake Chemical, Ecolab,
Honeywell, Spirit AeroSystems, Parker-Hannefin, Eaton, Illinois Tool Works, Medtronic, Boston Scientific, Intuitive Surgical,
Gilead Sciences, Alexion Pharmaceuticals, Vertex, Regeneron, Pfizer, Merck, Zoetis, Agilent, ThermoFisher, Danaher, Illumina, KeySight,
Microsoft, Oracle, Adobe, Ansys, Synopsys, AWS, IQVIA, Broadcom, Nvidia, Cummins, Emerson, Trane Technologies, Carrier, Johnson Controls, Vertiv, Amphenol, Catepillar, Deere, PACCAR, Schlumberger, Baker Hughes, Halliburton, Applied Materials, Lam Research, KLA, Xylem, Badger Meter, among countless others
 
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China Shock 2.0 mostly seems to be whacking Europe over the head more than it does the United States - US industrial firms are at the pinnacle of the technological frontier everywhere - medical devices, instrumentation, fine chemicals, software, industrial machinery (oil refinery, materials handling, semiconductor manufacturing, power equipment, etc), electronic components/semiconductors, aerospace, etc and thus the endless US firms - such as Celanese, CF, Covestro, Corteva, Sealed Air, Corning, Westlake Chemical, Ecolab,
Honeywell, Spirit AeroSystems, Parker-Hannefin, Eaton, Illinois Tool Works, Medtronic, Boston Scientific, Intuitive Surgical,
Gilead Sciences, Alexion Pharmaceuticals, Vertex, Regeneron, Pfizer, Merck, Zoetis, Agilent, ThermoFisher, Danaher, Illumina, KeySight,
Microsoft, Oracle, Adobe, Ansys, Synopsys, AWS, IQVIA, Broadcom, Nvidia, Cummins, Emerson, Trane Technologies, Carrier, Johnson Controls, Vertiv, Amphenol, Catepillar, Deere, PACCAR, Schlumberger, Baker Hughes, Halliburton, Applied Materials, Lam Research, KLA, Xylem, Badger Meter, among countless others
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the smarter you are the earlier you realise. Americans are rightly apoplectic after they've just been told by their god emperors (both classic maga and tech maga) that they're beneath 79 average IQ imports, however this does indicate something
 
AssassinsMace

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Biscuits said:
China likes to pick the conflict when they have an overwhelming advantage. It was that way first with green tech, then with batteries, then drones and now cars. It'll be the same with graphic cards and AI.

When growing the platforms, China often says "there is room for both of us" etc, but the moment they pull ahead, they switch gears and suddenly it's "all ours now".

Honestly I don't know why they actually act like that, because it's not like people have real alternatives to China anyways. They follow a predictable pattern and anyone can predict what will happen next, so why bother to obfuscate it?

The whole "they setup conflict" is 100% intentional, China often wants to fight because they gain ground from doing it.
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The thing is if China doesn’t see it as a problem, then don’t complain that it’s hurting the Chinese people like how they tell the US’s chip embargo is hurting China. All that does is encourage it more because China admits it’s working. It’s like there’s a naïveté that because one says it’s hurting, people are supposed to work to make it not hurt.

When I was actively taking part in the dispute with San Francisco’s Chinatown by animal rights activists for selling live animals for food when they had no problem with other communities doing it, all Chinatown’s community leader, Rose Pak, did was cry it was Chinese culture like that was an argument in defense. To animal rights groups it was cruelty to animals so they didn’t care if it was Chinese culture. All Rose Pak did was confirm to the racists Chinese were cruel. I wrote an editorial for the small English language Asian newspaper that these racist animal rights activists especially their leader were using to communicate with the Chinese community of their displeasure. I didn’t cry about how it’s Chinese culture. I spelled it out plainly and directly why the animal rights activists were racists. I got a lot of racist responses and even a death threat that the newspaper had to inform me about. The animal rights activists ignored my arguments until the city’s main newspaper the San Francisco Chronicle went directly to the leader of the activists and was asked to answer my arguments. When that happened the leader admitted that he was told by the Democratic establishment of San Francisco to only target Chinatown because he would get no support if he tried to include the entire city. After he admitted that, the proposition to make it a law fell apart.

I did that all by myself and got instant results. Kumbaya tactics don’t work.
 
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