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quim

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manqiangrexue said:
So the only way you would be right is if Russia decided to go back to the original borders. That's a stalemate.
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No. Lol

This would be a total defeat for Russia in every sense, not a stalemate.

Putin's goal is to disarm and denazify the Ukrainian regime. If, in addition to not achieving this, he loses the 17% hold and go back to the original borders, Russia will lose the entire war without achieving anything. Not a stalemate.

A 100% defeat!

You don't even know how to differentiate between a stalemate and a defeat! What type of STEM PhD are you? Lol.

manqiangrexue said:
I thought we agreed that the side that achieves more is the victor.
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manqiangrexue said:
If Russia had not fought, 100% of Ukraine would be a NATO ally. That is in actuality technically within Ukraine's rights to choose. This is is the default state that we move from.
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By your own logic, Russia has only achieved a 17% victory so far, while Ukraine has managed to hold 83% of armed territory and be a NATO ally.

83% is much more than 17%.

So, Ukraine is actually winning at 83% of a victory so far.

You are being contradictory! Lol

manqiangrexue said:
If what you said comes true, that Ukraine ends up in 3 partitions, one in NATO, 1 in limbo and 1 Russian, that would mean that through war, Russia took a 100% hostile Ukraine and turned it into a mini-hostile remnant of what it was, a neutral area, and a Russian territory. That is a huge net gain over what would have happened if Russia did not fight. Russia is gangster-mugging Ukraine with the "What's mine is mine and what's yours is negotiable" hammer. That is a Russian favored-solution but your mistake would be thinking that "negotiable" means stalemate.
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3 parts for each side would be the ideal stalemate.

-1 part remains armed by NATO
-1 "neutral" zone occupied by UN and NATO peacekeepers and
-1 area occupied by Russia

Ukraine would still be one of the largest European countries.

The Korean War also ended in stalemate despite North Korea having lost almost 4,000 square kilometers of territory and suffered many more casualties.
 
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quim said:
No. Lol

This would be a total defeat for Russia in every sense, not a stalemate.

Putin's goal is to disarm and denazify the Ukrainian regime. If, in addition to not achieving this, he loses the 17% hold and go back to the original borders, Russia will lose the entire war without achieving anything. Not a stalemate.

A 100% defeat!

You don't even know how to differentiate between a stalemate and a defeat! What type of STEM PhD are you? Lol.




By your own logic, Russia has only achieved a 17% victory so far, while Ukraine has managed to hold 83% of armed territory and be a NATO ally.

83% is much more than 17%.

So, Ukraine is actually winning at 83% of a victory so far.

You are being contradictory! Lol


3 parts for each side would be the ideal stalemate.

-1 part remains armed by NATO
-1 "neutral" zone occupied by UN and NATO peacekeepers and
-1 area occupied by Russia

Ukraine would still be one of the largest European countries.

The Korean War also ended in stalemate despite North Korea having lost almost 4,000 square kilometers of territory and many more dead soldiers.
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So by your logic what's Israel doing when the had maybe 5% of Lebanon's territory before and now have 0%?
 
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Death toll in attack on Christmas market in Germany rises to 5 and more than 200 injured​

MAGDEBURG, Germany (AP) — Germans on Saturday mourned both the victims and their shaken sense of security after a Saudi doctor intentionally drove into a Christmas market teeming with holiday shoppers, killing at least five people, including a small child, and wounding at least 200 others.

Authorities arrested a 50-year-old man at the site of the attack in Magdeburg on Friday evening and took him into custody for questioning. He has lived in Germany since 2006, practicing medicine in Bernburg, about 40 kilometers (25 miles) south of Magdeburg. officials said.

The state governor, Reiner Haseloff, told reporters that the death toll rose to five from a previous figure of two and that more than 200 people in total were injured.
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The killer's motives are very confusing.
 
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quim

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Biscuits said:
So by your logic what's Israel doing when the had maybe 5% of Lebanon's territory before and now have 0%?
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Israel's war is against Palestine and against groups that support Palestine, such as Hezbollah, Hamas and Iran.

So far it is a victory for Israel, which took most of Palestine and even expanded into Syria now. All with the complicity of the US and Russia.

Evolution of the territory:

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Let's not deny reality.
 
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Biscuits

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quim said:
Israel's war is against Palestine and against groups that support Palestine, such as Hezbollah, Hamas and Iran.

So far it is a victory for Israel, which took most of Palestine and even expanded into Syria now. All with the complicity of the US and Russia.

Evolution of the territory:

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Let's not deny reality.
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But this is the "holy land" promised to Israel in its 100% and their de jure borders. Owning the whole thing should be the default assumption. Failing to maintain control in any territory means absolute defeat, not fully annexing the Palestine that has blocked them for ~70 years only means a stalemate.

In 1947, the size of Israel was 20 500 km2. Today, it is ~22 500 km2. In the latest year with the war, the expansion has been nearly unmeasuable and the majority of gains come from the Yom Kippur war.

In contrast, Russia sits on ~115 000 km2 of Ukrainian land since 2022 and added 2000~ km2 over the last month.

One of these conflict look like a stalemate and the other look like an active conqueror using his arms to beat territory from his neighbor.
 
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