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Colonel
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Non-combatants are fair game. Yet another Pandora's Box has been opened.
Is this actually even true though? Feels like Russia would make a big complaint about it. Granted Russia has been sporadically attacking members of the Ukrainian intel community since pretty much day one, but they're not used to lose anyone on their side.
 

GZDRefugee

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It's war. Of course it's fair game killing someone who helps develop your enemies' weapons lol

Dunno where everyone suddenly got the idea that military/MIC-related personnel is not "fair" game. Western PR I guess
Intelligence used to at least conceal their covert killings. But now that Ukraine is screaming their success from the rooftops, this creates a legal precedence for all sorts of ways civilians can be targeted.

Where do you draw the line at contributing to the war? Does paying taxes make someone a valid target? After all, their money goes into procurement.
 

Biscuits

Colonel
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Lol that won't lead to a nuclear war.

You can find the Chinese solution to article 1 section 8 of the US constitution in this box:
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Why should all the world's resources including fishing not be preferentially accessed by China?

China's ingenuity powers living standards globally. Without Chinese engines, fisherman boats in the third world cannot go to work. Motorized vehicles cannot run. Without their electronics, there is no affordable communication. The third world would be back to the 1960s, while the G7 would be paying skydio prices for every piece of modern tech.

In the words of Churchill:

"I do not admit that a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher-grade race, a more worldly wise race to put it that way, has come in and taken their place"

When said "more worldly wise" race is also benevolent in intentions, seeking to fairly distribute resources to each nation according to their needs, according to their ability, then it is clear to me that this is a win-win setup that benefits everyone. China builds the best fishing boats, hence it can help other countries acquire food in the most efficient manner. And in return, China gets royalties for the ships and their catch.
 

Overbom

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Intelligence used to at least conceal their covert killings. But now that Ukraine is screaming their success from the rooftops, this creates a legal precedence for all sorts of ways civilians can be targeted.

Where do you draw the line at contributing to the war? Does paying taxes make someone a valid target? After all, their money goes into procurement.
As I said, it's war. No legal precedent needs to be set because war is always inherently "illegal" because one's legal war is another's illegal war. Legalities are meaningless, the only law that matters is the law of the jungle. If you are strong, you are legal, if you are weak, you are illegal. Simple

Also wtf with your analogy. I am sure you see the tiny difference between simply paying taxes and directly developing weapons to kill someone
 

GZDRefugee

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As I said, it's war. No legal precedent needs to be set because war is always inherently "illegal" because one's legal war is another's illegal war. Legalities are meaningless, the only law that matters is the law of the jungle. If you are strong, you are legal, if you are weak, you are illegal. Simple

Also wtf with your analogy. I am sure you see the tiny difference between simply paying taxes and directly developing weapons to kill someone
I understand what you mean and I agree. The concept of war crimes is an oxymoron; the only thing that matters is victory.

But isn't Ukraine being incredibly stupid by going public with this information? Russia has escalation dominance and they now have an excuse to be as brutal as they want. By right from might, Russia can simply declare all Ukrainian taxpayers valid targets because nobody can enforce the rules against them. That's why I said a Pandora's Box has been opened.
 

Biscuits

Colonel
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I understand what you mean and I agree. The concept of war crimes is an oxymoron; the only thing that matters is victory.

But isn't Ukraine being incredibly stupid by going public with this information? Russia has escalation dominance and they now have an excuse to be as brutal as they want. By right from might, Russia can simply declare all Ukrainian taxpayers valid targets because nobody can enforce the rules against them. That's why I said a Pandora's Box has been opened.
That is assuming they actually killed someone. Kiev "independent" is a particularly unreliable source.
 
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