Well as I said countries has low and high points. The low of Qing is much lower than the American and the high of America is much higher than the Qing. No matter how we poke fun at the American, few countries can compete with America regarding infrastructure. It's just that the infrastructure boom in the US is already over. Just like China now cannot build infrastructure crazy as before to boost GDP anymore. Being complacent is the key while the Qing is so pathetic to begin with.
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In the grand scheme of civilisations, Romans are a blip in the radar. From the Republic to sack of Rome less than a thousand years. Something like Greeks or Chinese lasted way longer. White chauvinist should get over that overrated civilisation. Otherwise they will go the same fate. Destroyed by cults, military overstretch, slaves outnumber citizens, then disintegrate entirely. There will be no century of humiliation for Romans. People ask "where did Romans go" instead. The land is there. People and their identity disintegrated permanently. Only thing left will be foriegn barbarians living in ruin of their city pretending to be their succesors.
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Do you count Eastern Rome as Rome or Greece? They lasted until the gunpowder era and called themselves Romans, but used Greek language.
Romans themselves consider anyone not in the city as not Roman. It is safe to say an empire without Rome is not Roman Empire. It would be as if Soviet Union never fought Japan, and Japanese Empire lost Japan to US and survive in China and speak Chinese. That thing is as Japan as Byzantine is Roman.
The Romans survived in the Roman catholic church and the holy Roman empire (Germany). Civilisations evolve and change and rome is just part of western history. It's comparable to a Chinese dynasty, not Chinese civilisation
At high point Qing + tributes are comparable to US + NATO in military might and global GDP, as well as being a symbol of culture world wide.
At its low point, US is not there yet, but also not at lowest point possible so I will reserve my judgement. But US is getting awfully close to Qing's worst, and no sign of stopping. Strong sign it might surpass Qing's lowest point in 50 years. US is roughly at First Opium War level of Qing today. And we know what Qing is like 50 years after.
And no, China is still spamming infrastructure today, just no longer at domestic real estate. Too much government supression on that. They are building shit in Africa these days.
Tbh nobody(much) in Qing would be using opium so much if society hadn't degraded due to the corrupt to the bone manchu leadership.
At the same time, opium was also available in the same way in the British empire, but they didn't experience the same problems since they had a mostly rising and optimistic society.
At least the actual summer palace stands as a beautiful landmark for posterity, while the money US wastes goes into incomprehensible identity propaganda or is spent by some inbred polish man getting dunked on by borderline homeless tier people in flip flops.
Never interrupt your enemy when he's making a mistake.
Catholic church is not even Roman culture. It is about as Roman as NATO European HQ is US, if it survive after US disappear entirely. And that is being generous, since catholic is a foriegn culture adopted by the emperor, that contributed to its destruction while NATO was instrument of US. Maybe something like WEF, which was not American origin. That would be as American as catholic is Roman.
Holy Roman Empire is as Roman as Japanese Empire is Qing dynasty.
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I doubt in 50 years any countries can go rob America in the White House like they did in the imperial palace or lost a territory comparable to Mongolia like the Qing. It's also not like America will have 90+% illiteracy like the Qing either. Even nowadays the poorest country don't have 90+% illiteracy.
Much of US' industry and innovation is in SK and Japan today. In 50 years they may be robbed worse than the 2nd opium war, they may get robbed of their major industrialized regions and important bases like the Qing in the 1st sino Japanese war.
Also as of right now, missiles are landing all over Israel and US still isn't able to do anything against the anti-US nations. For the level of money, political and military support, Tel Aviv may as well be US' Imperial palace. While all of it isn't burning down today, the fires are sorta nibbling at it already.