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I doubt in 50 years any countries can go rob America in the White House like they did in the imperial palace or lost a territory comparable to Mongolia like the Qing. It's also not like America will have 90+% illiteracy like the Qing either. Even nowadays the poorest country don't have 90+% illiteracy.
Much of US' industry and innovation is in SK and Japan today. In 50 years they may be robbed worse than the 2nd opium war, they may get robbed of their major industrialized regions and important bases like the Qing in the 1st sino Japanese war.

Also as of right now, missiles are landing all over Israel and US still isn't able to do anything against the anti-US nations. For the level of money, political and military support, Tel Aviv may as well be US' Imperial palace. While all of it isn't burning down today, the fires are sorta nibbling at it already.
 

TK3600

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I doubt in 50 years any countries can go rob America in the White House like they did in the imperial palace or lost a territory comparable to Mongolia like the Qing. It's also not like America will have 90+% illiteracy like the Qing either. Even nowadays the poorest country don't have 90+% illiteracy.
Think less literal. What is equivalent of 1800s literacy today? It was a high education only few had. Perhaps a professional or phd degree, that only select few pursuit. It is reasonable to say competitive level of education 50 years later would be that. I expect US fail to keep up above 10% after 50 years. They all gonna be influencers or something.

What would be equivalent of burning summer palace after 50 years? These days, you dont need to be physically there to burn something. I will leave rest to your imagination.
 
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Michaelsinodef

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Think less literal. What is equivalent of 1800s literacy today? It was a high education only few had. Perhaps a progessional or phd degree, that only select few pursuit. It is reasonable to say competitive level of education 50 years later would be that. I expect US fail to keep up above 10% after 50 years. They all gonna be influencers or something.

What would be equivalent of burning summer palace after 50 years? These days, you dont need to be physically there to burn something. I will leave rest to your imagination.
Nah, I say the white house getting burned down some time in the next 50 years aren't unlikely.
 

TK3600

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Nah, I say the white house getting burned down some time in the next 50 years aren't unlikely.
If ruling elites are judeo-zionist faction, their summer palace is in Israel. Israel getting razed by a global coalition in 50 years is entirely possible even if nuke accounted. Which by the way was entirely preventable if Qing had tiniest competence of diplomacy. Will US ruling class fall to that?
 

Chevalier

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That was more satisfying than I thought it would be. Perhaps if Americans and westerners feared Asian men grouping up and bashing the snot out of them for misbehaving (ahem British and Australian tourists in Thailand), there would be a lot less crimes in east Asia. First and foremost, the americans must be kicked out of east Asia as this is the force underpinning the behaviour of western thugs in Asia.

my respect for Koreans has increased, especially as they specifically targeted the cuck Korean aiding this Somali idiot, it’s like how collaborators were targeted or how you’d look with suspicion at a Chinese guy who wants to introduce all of his white friends to all of your Asian lady friends.
The Romans survived in the Roman catholic church and the holy Roman empire (Germany). Civilisations evolve and change and rome is just part of western history. It's comparable to a Chinese dynasty, not Chinese civilisation
yes and no, modern westerners who attempt to cast themselves as heirs of Rome tended to have ancestry from enemies of Rome eg britons and goths who became modern Germans; even the papacy just built from the remnants of Rome with its title of pontifex maximus and the organisation of the Curia but it could never be Roman since by adopting a foreign desert god religion, they effectively changed their cultural identity and cultural values. It’s why modern westerners don’t fully regard European converts to Islam as truly western anymore.

In fact, there’s a cultural difference between China and the west in the form of revenge. Like Ancient Rome, Chinese culture values and understands the necessity of blood debts and revenge, for instance the PLA will come seeking redress for the American blood debt owed to its fallen in the Belgrade embassy. Similarly in Ancient Rome, there was the concept of revenge to be decided by the paterfamilias, but since Christianity, a slave religion that tried to get slaves to accept their lot in life much like Hindus tell their low castes to suck it up and focus on the next life, the western mode of morality has been two faced and hypocritical. They are focused on performative acts of piety and have imposed an economic system of the granting of Indulgences eg modern carbon credit. A case can be made that in terms of cultural values, the real heir to Rome is actually modern China and I don’t mean this just to troll western supremacists, but also because the best preserved western art eg classical music and art restoration, can be found in China itself.
 
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gelgoog

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yes and no, modern westerners who attempt to cast themselves as heirs of Rome tended to have ancestry from enemies of Rome eg britons and goths who became modern Germans; even the papacy just built from the remnants of Rome with its title of pontifex maximus and the organisation of the Curia but it could never be Roman since by adopting a foreign desert god religion, they effectively changed their cultural identity and cultural values. It’s why modern westerners don’t fully regard European converts to Islam as truly western anymore.
The Empire had already converted to Christianity when Constantine was the Emperor.
I would say in Italy the longest surviving aspect of the Empire other than the Papacy was the Republic of Venice. It survived as an entity all the way from the collapse of the Western Roman Empire to Napoleon, so not that bad.

Well as I said countries has low and high points. The low of Qing is much lower than the American and the high of America is much higher than the Qing. No matter how we poke fun at the American, few countries can compete with America regarding infrastructure. It's just that the infrastructure boom in the US is already over. Just like China now cannot build infrastructure crazy as before to boost GDP anymore. Being complacent is the key while the Qing is so pathetic to begin with.
The US infrastructure boom was over in the mid 1960s. What do you make of claims that China produces as much steel in 2 years as US produced in whole XXth century? Still think the US has better infrastructure?

The US has rotten infrastructure. The whole thing should be tore down and rebuilt again. Try reading about the Accela Express in the US. A supposed high-speed railway with 110 kph average speed. They cannot run it faster because they won't replace the overhead wires, they won't fix the bridges and tunnels to sustain the higher speed, the line at has grade crossings (!), signaling is incipient, that is the US for you.

The Laos railway China built has slightly higher average speed and it is not even considered high speed rail because of the lower top speed. It has grade separation. So that is the US for you, even countries which used to be considered third-world and poorest in the world are starting to have better infrastructure.

Germany is not that much better with its 2% fiber optic network penetration.
 
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TK3600

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The Empire had already converted to Christianity when Constantine was the Emperor.
I would say in Italy the longest surviving aspect of the Empire other than the Papacy was the Republic of Venice. It survived as an entity all the way from the collapse of the Western Roman Empire to Napoleon, so not that bad.
US is founded as a christian democratic country by its founders emulating Romans.

US adopted laizze faire capitalism and twisted its Christian value to weird zionist abomination that is neither Judeo nor Christian. Their democracy descended to a oligarchy too extreme even by 1700s standard. Freedom of speech straight up replaced by new values like 'anti-hate speech'.

Catholics is the new coverted value that is not Roman origin. It would be as Roman as WEF is American. WEF is an European origin capitalism organisation. American sort of adopt its capitalism value half way like Romans adopted catholics. However, if US disintegrate today, WEF survives, I would hardly say "America lived on through WEF".

Or if you are tired of complex analogy, BYD battery factory survives in US. "Behold, US live on in a Chinese made factory!"
 

antiterror13

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Tbh nobody(much) in Qing would be using opium so much if society hadn't degraded due to the corrupt to the bone manchu leadership.

At the same time, opium was also available in the same way in the British empire, but they didn't experience the same problems since they had a mostly rising and optimistic society.

At least the actual summer palace stands as a beautiful landmark for posterity, while the money US wastes goes into incomprehensible identity propaganda or is spent by some inbred polish man getting dunked on by borderline homeless tier people in flip flops.

Never interrupt your enemy when he's making a mistake.
Not really true, the British banned opium in British soil ... thats really disturbing even for many British now, that heir ancestors selling opium to China massively 150 yrs ago but the British banned the use in British land. I think it is a karma for the British (inc USA)
 
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