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[sheogorath]

I don't get it. Geopolitics is defined by maximum gain minimum effort. For China, they just have to do nothing and make the world view them more favourably.

Indonesia and Malaysia, where people were polled to be pro-US are now pro-China after witnessing Israeli genocide.

Patting yourself on the back about polls numbers while people are getting mass murdered is the epitome a Liberal world view and crass. So its all performative then, like seeing someone getting run over by a car, watch them speed away, call the ambulance, shrug when they tell you they don't care and then pat yourself on the back about it because hey "at least you tried" while you leave the person to die, there.

This might be a shock to you but china doesn't have much sway over Arab countries.

Almost every country in the arab world has China as its main trade partner, nonwithstanding the fact that China could lure the further away from US's sphere by promising to fill the gaps that will be left from pulling out of said sphere.

But then again, the way I've seem some pro-China people talk about the Arab world isn't all that different from Anglos in the bigotry and vitriol, maybe I am expecting too much and turns out the multipolar world order lead by China will be just more of the same since the Anglos will still be left to do what they please with the rest of us.

 

[Overbom]

It should be if you are serious about assuming leadership of the global south, and so far what we are seeing is that the west will still be allowed to bomb the shit out of you and all it should be expected from China is some posturing.

Leadership means jacksht. How many EUV machines does global south produce? How many HBM3 modules can they produce?

and why should China chase them around? if they feel so insecure they should come to China instead and actively make deals. China ain't some kind of Santa who gives gifts. Iran had the opportunity to grow its economy but it blew it because it thought itself some kind of major power lol

Funny considering China is also doing a shit job at what it allegedly -can- do. No serious attempt at rallying the global south at the UN or ICJ, promote reforms or actually push the Arab countries it does have sway over to put up and stop gargling anglo balls.

why rally the global south. China makes plenty of money from US and EU, thank you very much. If the global south itself doesn't want to help itself, why should China help them lol. Look at the glorious example of Argentina..

and why push the Arab countries? Non interference et al. If Muslims themselves enjoy looking at their supposed brothers getting slaughtered by Israel, what is China supposed to say "ah you should feel bad and instead do this and do that. what? you need my help,? sure let's form a coalition" yeah sure cool story

Sure, though at least Russia for all their blunders in the war, at least they made good on their promise of going to war over Ukraine joining NATO.

Russia is a basket case. Does China have an even bigger brother to support it in case something goes wrong? Russia can afford to act crazy because it knows China will never accept it's failure. But China doesn't have anything similar to depend on, so it has to act extremely careful

Why should even China consider luring such a diseased society out of the US camp?. They don't see the chinese any more as humans than they see the palestinians, this is like trying to argue about luring Nazi Germany.

You talk talk and you don't even know what you are talking about. Chinese-Israeli cooperation oh high tech fields is all good and growing. That doesn't mean China wants Israel as a friend. China wants from Israel what It wants from other countries, to make deals, that's it.

least for all the failures that lead to its demise, the USSR scared the west enough that would measure heavily about pulling shit like this on the regular and the open, even against its own population because they knew the soviets would have no qualms on filling the void and proping up actual opposition to them.

USSR is irrelevant. It's irrelevant because it's dead. and following evolutionary theory, what is dead should be studied, taught in new generation to avoid doing. USSR is a failure, and any argument FOR it, automatically means it's a failed argument.

 

[Arij Javaid]

You talk talk and you don't even know what you are talking about. Chinese-Israeli cooperation oh high tech fields is all good and growing. That doesn't mean China wants Israel as a friend. China wants from Israel what It wants from other countries, to make deals, that's it.

I think with the recent revelation that Israel can use its tech as weapons and various spying cases. I'd have to say china should be atleast cautious dealing with Israel.

 

[sheogorath]

Leadership means jacksht. How many EUV machines does global south produce? How many HBM3 modules can they produce?

and why should China chase them around? if they feel so insecure they should come to China instead and actively make deals. China ain't some kind of Santa who gives gifts. Iran had the opportunity to grow its economy but it blew it because it thought itself some kind of major power lol

Lol, love the internalized anglo-like contempt and racism for the global south. And completely antithesis to the marxist ideals that allegedly moves China, not to mention the short sigthedness of it all even from an economic and geopolitcal standpoint.

why rally the global south. China makes plenty of money from US and EU, thank you very much.

Again, a very anglo point of view, and also at odds with China's owns statements and some actions where it claims to see the global south as the future.

But hey, keep bitching about tariffs then.

If the global south itself doesn't want to help itself, why should China help them lol.

Why should the global south care about China's opinion on Taiwan, then?.

Look at the glorious example of Argentina..

Well, thats what you get from your ball-less non-interference.

If Muslims themselves enjoy looking at their supposed brothers getting slaughtered by Israel, what is China supposed to say "ah you should feel bad and instead do this and do that. what? you need my help,? sure let's form a coalition" yeah sure cool story

Well, I can see China doesn't even care about Chinese getting beat down on the streets of the West, so funny you'll complain about the Arabs inaction on the matter.

Russia is a basket case. Does China have an even bigger brother to support it in case something goes wrong? Russia can afford to act crazy because it knows China will never accept it's failure.

Lol, that's all especulation as we don't know what they expected, and it wasn't the first time they walked the walk. They did it in 2008 in Georgia and again in 2015 in Syria.

They tried to play the non-interventionism card in 2011 with Libya and saw shit doesn't fly and that the West only understands violence and the threat of violence.

But China doesn't have anything similar to depend on, so it has to act extremely careful

Hey, I guess EUV machines means fuck all, then, if you aren't willing to put your money where your mouth is.

Chinese-Israeli cooperation oh high tech fields is all good and growing. That doesn't mean China wants Israel as a friend. China wants from Israel what It wants from other countries, to make deals, that's it.

If you don't see what wrong about this, I don't know what to tell you. Then you'll whine about the Century of Humilliation and how it could be allowed to happen.

Maybe when Israel shoves some explosives in Chinese sourced products you might rethink things. Or maybe they need to blow up a Chinese embassy, or they will get more strongly worded letters.

But hey, at least now you can back your strongly worded letters with EUV machines, solar panels and batteries, right?.


For all this "might makes right" attitude, China certanly seems unwilling of waging this "might" in international relations. Or maybe they are unable, too?

USSR is irrelevant. It's irrelevant because it's dead. and following evolutionary theory, what is dead should be studied, taught in new generation to avoid doing. USSR is a failure, and any argument FOR it, automatically means it's a failed argument.

Lol, this is like the libshits what shut their ears off at any criticism of the "liberal rules based order" with autistic screenchings of "Russian propaganda!". And assumes the complete infalibity of the CPC decision making, same decision making that decided meatride Kissinger's foreign policy but still got bitchslaped and backstabbed by the West in 1989.

 

[Arij Javaid]

Maybe when Israel shoves some explosives in Chinese sourced products you might rethink things. Or maybe they need to blow up a Chinese embassy, or they will get more strongly worded letters.

Israel will never ever dare to do such a thing. It's one thing that it's not in their interests to do but they will learn the true meaning of FAFO.

Xi Jinping is really good at establishing deterrence. Israel knows that.

I truly believe even if US forces them to do such a thing. Israel won't do it. They aren't stupid.

 

[TK3600]

Who would you classify as china's true allies??

North Korea, Russia, Pakistan??

North Korea is a treaty ally. No true ally.

 

[sheogorath]

Israel will never ever dare to do such a thing. It's one thing that it's not in their interests to do but they will learn the true meaning of FAFO.

People also thought Israel wouldn't piss off Russia by openly supporting Ukraine and here we are. Your underestimating what a country run by desperate crazies is capable of.

We have seen them commit almost every atrocity you can think of on video and pictures, and that hasn't disuaded them. They have no incentive to stop escalating things, and while China keeps sticking to doing jackshit, its just a matter of time before they compromise Chinese products and interests to further their own goals.

Which is why I find this argument of "Not China's problem/interests" dumb and shortsighted, specially while bragging about your comercial relationships with them as if it is a good thing.

Hell, even from outside the whole genocide and moral aspect of it all, mantaining deals with Israel and letting them run amock is bad idea for Chinese interests.

Xi Jinping is really good at establishing deterrence. Israel knows that.

Is he?.

I truly believe even if US forces them to do such a thing. Israel won't do it. They aren't stupid.

My guy, the US warned Israel about not doing a ground invasion on Gaza because it wouldn't be quick and easy. You are SERIOUSLY overstimating the rationality of the Israeli government and society at this point in time.

A country that has a doctrine of killing its own population over letting them be kidnapped on top of a doctrine of threatening to nuke its own allies if they let it fall.

Maybe when the first Huawei blows up at the hands of a Chinese kid, we'll see if its not China's problem, then.

 

[BlackWindMnt]

The west after giving Israel everything it need to bomb their targets.
Israel no bombing the civilians, Israel no bombing the civilians, Israel no bombing the civilians..

 

[Eventine]

The US makes a public show of calling for restraint but are the carrier battle groups near Iran for protecting Iran, do you think? Or are they for making sure Iran doesn’t do anything? The US has been wanting to bomb Iran for decades, it’s just looking for a chance.

But I largely agree that China is finding itself rather shocked by the recent turn of events. The degree to which Iran has shown itself to be a paper tiger is clear for all to see and it has thrown a lot of China’s original plans for the region into disorder. Intervention is impossible to begin with because China lacks the military projection, and supplying Iran with weapons only works if the war was a conventional invasion instead of a high tech. execution of leadership.

 

[sheogorath]

Anyway, I'd like to apologize for coming off agressive and if I have offended anyone. It just disheartening to see the situation how no one seems to care enough to do anything about it when you have hopes that the transition out of US hegemony could improve things.

I think we all have had enough of the callous attitude of the anglos and we shouldn't be replicating it.