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Bellum_Romanum

Brigadier
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Like I’ve said before… every dictator in history doesn’t believe in their own freedom? That’s the same kind of freedom Americans believe in because they only believe in their own freedom and not for everyone else. You just have to look at Hong Kong itself. Did the British ever give the kind of freedom to Hong Kong they expect China to give to Hong Kong? They never did! So what’s to prevent them from say having someone give up their lives by encouraging someone else to sacrifice their freedoms for their goals? They’re doing that right now all around the world. If they cared that much about other people, they would care about that but they don’t. That’s called having someone else do your dirty work because you don’t want to make any sacrifices yourself.
I think Gen.Patton said it best which encapsulates the gist of your post:

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AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
I’ve noticed recently this trend of African-Americans writing books about solving racism in America. Each one of them have the same solution. Don’t bring up race. You know what the other thing they have in common? They’re all Republicans.

Of course their only concern comes from a white perspective. Yeah they don’t like it when non-whites bring up race because it’s always about whites being racist. Why don’t whites stop bringing up race?

I know someone Chinese who use to own a small store in a marketplace. She would tell me how whites would come up to her all the time just to complain to her about China. Personally every time I experience a new group of white acquaintances, there’s always one or two of them that will want to put me in place because of my race. They do that primarily to learn how far they can go with me or like with my friend… use me to get all their frustrations out regarding China.

It’s like that stereotypical Marine I know through my friend because he’s his sister’s baby daddy that I’ve brought up before in this forum. He’s a Republican who hates Democrats, big surprise, who loves to start heated arguments with them. When I first met this guy, I steered clear of talking politics with him. Then one day we all were at a restaurant after watching a movie and I was sitting across from him and all of the sudden he was staring dead at me and then… he brought up China. I unloaded on him. He didn’t expect that. He was unprepared for someone like me. I was running circles around him where he had nothing left and was just repeating the same arguments over again.

Yes white people… when are you going to stop bringing up race?
 

manqiangrexue

Brigadier
Reality is, most Chinese youth are rural or 1st gen non rural and the point of comparison is very different. I know alot of these guys. It's not that they don't take gaokao seriously, they're just not academic or ambitious, they know it, and they put effort accordingly. Most are OK with their lives as a whole.
I... literally... know... not a single Chinese person who's not ambitious or trying to kill everyone else in his grade to become top. Sorry... I do know one but we all make fun of him for being stupid and on top of that, a horrible person as well... I know just one.
For example, 2 old ladies at the park saying their kid is locked in their room studying? In rural China, kids live in dorms. The degree of studying they do is solely up to their self motivation. Parents aren't there. Are high schoolers going to be self motivated to study so hard?
I have no experience with rural China. This was in JiuHua Mountain in Nanjing. They literally said, "Nowadays it's really hard to find a kid so bad he's wasting time here when Gaokao are in a week." I finished all my finals and statewide exams in the US, just started vacation, first day out, stood there with an entomology net and a backpack full of jars hunting for rhinoceros and stag beetles and I get cursed out like this right next to me LOLOL. Really gave me the impression that every kid in the city is working in overdrive. My cousin was; she studied so hard for 2 straight years, she went from looking like Jang Nara to Guy Fieri without his beard.
Another example. City parent when kid gets only a moderate 1st tier school: omg your life is ruined. Rural parent when kid gets a BYD job for 8k a month with a mechanics associate degree: congratulations, this is big money.
Well, that's like I said, everyone's working hard to climb up the ladder no matter where they are.
then, Not everyone needs a degree to be happy.
That's true, but then you gotta have money. Chinese people don't play that ukelele-by-the-beach-I-need-nothing-in-life-to-be-happy shit. You gotta be impressive in some way or another; if it ain't your degree, it better be your house, car, and bank account.
They joke with me that I am like Einstein, I just joke back, more like Wang Miao (3 body problem). They're not fuming mad that I have a graduate degree or I make more money, I don't look down on them. We're bros who struggled together and ended up in different places.
Yeah I'm bros with different kinds of people too but there's pressure. When we're kids, the parents lay on the pressure about beating the kids of all their neighbors and friends until we all secretly hate each other. But it makes us stronger and that's what counts. When we're adults, we still measure ourselves and more importantly, potential partners are measuring us in the group we hang out in. Who's the best-looking, most athletic, tallest, richest, smartest, and when those guys get significantly more success than the laggards, bros they may be while drinking but a sense of inequality is going to be in the undercurrent. I feel like saying that people from all different backgrounds/capabilities are good friends so there's no pressure to perform is a gross oversimplification of the complex social web.
If you look at the rankings, Saudi Arabia and UAE do indeed rank equal or higher than China except that their scores for sex and politics are N/A.
Oh... what are we talking about? I thought someone said that China ranked number 1 before being taken down? This whole conversation is my expressing my disbelief that China's overall happiness can be higher than countries that live on vast oil wealth.

Sexually, though, I get it. Because of the religion over there, guys don't fool around. A Saudi once told me that men are virgins until marriage, and then they stay true to their wives. I don't know about how these fellas play, but to me, there's no fun no matter how much money you have or spend if you're not doing it in a co-ed environment. So I can definitely see that impacting thier happiness.
But a ton of developing countries also have high happiness rankings like Indonesia, Malaysia and even India. So clearly it is subjective.
I didn't look that closely. If India's getting a high score, then I have no idea WTF they're measuring on this.

Anyway, to your points, I just don't see what you're seeing and I didn't take a look at how they surveyed. To me, I'd assume they survey in major cities with highly competitive environments but if they went to the countryside, I'd say that's a weird choice and I don't know what they'd find.

To the other people saying that Chinese people could be the happiest due to the spirit of achievement, I really wish that were true but from the average Chinese person I've met, happiness means high income comfortable life. If we get to a point where Chinese people have a world-beating level of happiness driving by pride in accomplishments and hard work, that's superhuman. The West should just give up. I'd be like 300 except it were 300 Persians against 100K Spartans LOL
Average person in west do not own yacht/mansion, so that is definitely not it. They are richer but once you factor cost of living they are just mildly richer.

It is a matter of perception. Everyone in the west feels like things are slowly go downhill. Chinese think things are getting better. They feel life sucks even though they live better. Psychology 101. Humans are irrational like that.

Not to mention politics. Every 4 years half the population think everything is falling apart.
Noooooo I'm not comparing to the West. At this point, I could believe that China has generally happier than a large portion of the West. When I said yachts and mansions, I was talking about extremely high per capita GDP countries in the middle east like Qatar.
 
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