And the MKII is still garbage LMAO okay its been fun showing how misinformed you are but now you're just replying with random trivia instead of actually responding so I'm ending this discussion right here to avoid getting further off topic
ZTQ-15 and PRC Light Tanks
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220mm at 66.42° from 2km means around 550mm at 0° . Not 350.Most Chinese members here simply don't realise that for ZTQ 15 to be somewhat effective in one on tank battle, it would have to come close to around 1km of T 90. it would be a dead meat , no Matter how much flanking manuver's it try lol. ATGM are it's best hope. But even that won't cut it against T 90.
And why would a light tank counter a T90 head-on anyway?
BTW I agree with you on the part that ZTQ15 is not able to counter a T90. Because it is simply not designed to do so.
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The Indian T-90s are nowhere near where the Type 15s are deployed. The T-90s are struggling in 3000m above sea level altitudes. They've barely placed them above 2500m to 3000m above sea level. Get a clue. Where there are Type 15s, there are no T-90s currently and it is highly unlikely the T-90s can even move above 10km/hour at altitudes above 4000m where the Type 15s are able to run around.
Sprut will be much better because of its similarly high thrust to weight ratio (27hp/t compared to Type 15's 29hp/t) but the Sprut has basically no armour even a PLA machine gun has some chance of penetrating the Sprut. The Sprut may be able to penetrate the frontal armour of Type 15 maybe! but the Type 15's APFSDS can punch through about 3 Spruts back to back. Probably much more... it's basically using thin RHA just good enough to protect it from larger calibre small arms.
Sprut will be much better because of its similarly high thrust to weight ratio (27hp/t compared to Type 15's 29hp/t) but the Sprut has basically no armour even a PLA machine gun has some chance of penetrating the Sprut. The Sprut may be able to penetrate the frontal armour of Type 15 maybe! but the Type 15's APFSDS can punch through about 3 Spruts back to back. Probably much more... it's basically using thin RHA just good enough to protect it from larger calibre small arms.
It comes with full power 125mm gun and extended carousel.
There hardly is any chance here.
But otherwise yes, no matter how rosoboronexport markets it, in the end it isn't exactly a light tank, and it just isn't supposed(nor it can) to take any return fire.
ZTQ-15, on the other hand, actually can.
Yeah it's just hard to say if the Type 15 has benefited from any new armour developments. We have heard about some electromagnetically triggered, pre-contact detonating ERA. Who knows how much improvement the main armour has received. Like the other modern PLA tanks, all the armour is focused on the very narrow limited frontal arc. Every other angle is large calibre small arms resistant and not much better.
Sprut's advantage is that it's much cheaper, and it's a paradroppable tank destroyer, as opposed to a light tank. The idea underlying the Sprut is to give paratroopers a way to destroy MBTs through kinetic energy, as opposed to relying entirely on spoofable and destroyable ATGMs.
On the other hand, Sprut purportedly only has a 15 degree gun elevation. It's going to seriously limit the Sprut's ability to top-attack tanks on most slopes. The T-90 likewise has only a 14 degree gun elevation.
Doesn't the Sprut come with low-velocity rounds? I thought the vehicle couldn't handle full recoil
Edit: NVM not true, shares same ammo with 2A46
Edit: NVM not true, shares same ammo with 2A46
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plawolf
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What is the accuracy of the Sprut? And can it fire on the move?
That’s the kind of issues and limitations you need to consider when you put oversized armaments on too small a platform.
It’s the same with the Israeli Sa’ar 5s. On paper it packed an impressive punch, but in practice it had massive problems due to the overpacking of weapons.
The Type15 is a well rounded light tank able to operate where MTBs cannot go and can punch above its weight. The Sprut is a one-trick pony that may not even be able to perform its one job well.
It’s more akin to an self propelled artillery piece than a tank since even IFVs can easily knock them out from the front.
In areas where the Indians can actually deploy their T90s, the PLA would be able to deploy 99s to meet them. Where the Type15 can and will operate, the Indians won’t be able to get T90s to even if they disassembled them and tried to move them up in pieces.
The Type15’s main job would be to spearhead stacks against Indian fortifications and shrug off light anti-tank weapons like RPGs and 20-30mm autocannons.
It has jammers and APS to deal with the few ATGMs they Indians can deploy up there. Which will be the primary threat to them, and not the T90s.
That’s the kind of issues and limitations you need to consider when you put oversized armaments on too small a platform.
It’s the same with the Israeli Sa’ar 5s. On paper it packed an impressive punch, but in practice it had massive problems due to the overpacking of weapons.
The Type15 is a well rounded light tank able to operate where MTBs cannot go and can punch above its weight. The Sprut is a one-trick pony that may not even be able to perform its one job well.
It’s more akin to an self propelled artillery piece than a tank since even IFVs can easily knock them out from the front.
In areas where the Indians can actually deploy their T90s, the PLA would be able to deploy 99s to meet them. Where the Type15 can and will operate, the Indians won’t be able to get T90s to even if they disassembled them and tried to move them up in pieces.
The Type15’s main job would be to spearhead stacks against Indian fortifications and shrug off light anti-tank weapons like RPGs and 20-30mm autocannons.
It has jammers and APS to deal with the few ATGMs they Indians can deploy up there. Which will be the primary threat to them, and not the T90s.
Same with other 125mm platforms of comparable age. Yes, it can.
Well, it was designed as a purpose-built tank destroyer, so there is nothing wrong here.
As of now, it doesn't.
THe level of armor protection on the Sprut is so poor that a Chinese IFV with a 30mm autocannon can penetrate it. So it's an improvement in Indian capabilities, if the Indians do sign the contract, but not that big an improvement. The fact that its 125mm can reliably penetrate even ZTQ-99s from the right angle is worrying, but the lack of protection means that the ZTQ-15 can easily destroy it in a fight, as can any anti-tank equipment the Chinese deploy. It's likely to be even penetrated by Type 69s.