ZTQ-15 and PRC Light Tanks

Hendrik_2000

Lieutenant General
What you mean about "New bustle mount autoloader" in ZTQ Light Tank?
Can you give me more little insight about that.
Thanks in advance, sir.

Picture is better than thousand word Here is what a carousel loader look like, In this type of loader the ammunition is stowed under the crew of the tank with no separation between them. If the tank is ever breached(hit) it will ignite and blow up the tank. this type of tank the turret is small and compact
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This is what a bustle loader look like, It is located at the turret of the tank . Normally there is separation or bulkhead between the crew and the ammunition. If the tank get hit there is blow up panel on the top of ammunition stowage that release the explosion upward and away from the crew. Safer for the crew. the turret of this type of tank is large and bulky
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Daniel707

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Picture is better than thousand word Here is what a carousel loader look like, In this type of loader the ammunition is stowed under the crew of the tank with no separation between them. If the tank is ever breached(hit) it will ignite and blow up the tank. this type of tank the turret is small and compact
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This is what a bustle loader look like, It is located at the turret of the tank . Normally there is separation or bulkhead between the crew and the ammunition. If the tank get hit there is blow up panel on the top of ammunition stowage that release the explosion upward and away from the crew. Safer for the crew. the turret of this type of tank is large and bulky
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Thanks so much for the pics and information, sir.
So, ZTQ Light Tank use the second one (with ammo bustle)?
 

Hendrik_2000

Lieutenant General
Yes according to Jane it is bustle mounted automatic loader

China North Industries Corporation (NORINCO) debuted its VT5 lightweight main battle tank (MBT) at Airshow China 2016 in Zhuhai.

The VT5 has been developed specifically for the export market and has a combat weight of between 33 and 36 tonnes, depending on the armour package fitted and measures 9.20 m (gun forward) in length, by 3.30 m (with side skirts) in width, and 2.50 m (turret roof) in height.

The baseline hull and turret is all-welded steel armour to which a modular protection package can be fitted depending on the end user's operational requirements. This can include advanced composite armour, explosive reactive armour (ERA), or a mix of the two.

The example being shown at Airshow China is also fitted with bar/slat armour on the turret sides and either side of the hull. This provides a higher level of protection against rocket-propelled grenades and similar weapons fitted with a single high-explosive anti-tank (HEAT) warhead.

Survivability is also enhanced by its compact design and low profile, when compared to the latest generation of MBTs.

The VT5's layout is conventional with the driver at the front, turret in the middle, and compact powerpack at the rear.

The two-person turret has the gunner on the left and the commander on the right. Both are provided with stabilised day/thermal sights incorporating a laser rangefinder, and individual roof hatches. The commander has a panoramic sight which allows hunter/killer target engagements to take.

According to NORINCO the computerised fire-control system (FCS) enables stationary and moving targets to be engaged out to a range of at least 3,000 m. The main armament comprises a 105 mm rifled gun which is fitted with a thermal sleeve and fume extractor. This is fed by a bustle-mounted automatic loader with the empty cartridge cases being ejected outside the turret bustle at the rear.
 

Tyloe

Junior Member
This is fed by a bustle-mounted automatic loader with the empty cartridge cases being ejected outside the turret bustle at the rear.

Possibly a mistake on Norinco's end since they were unveiling three tanks (VT-5, VT-4 & Type 96) of two different loaders in the expo.

Usually rear bustle's space is fully used to store munitions and spent cases just roll around in crew compartment until combat ceases.

L7 was a manual loader like the Chinese variant. Ejecting cases from the rear would be the same as the 2A46M autoloader from the hatch in the turrets rear.

Unlikely, but if there's an additional system in the rear to eject cases it could mean to solve a tight crew compartment but would limit storage. Or it's using a new autoloader for the L7 variant.

More likely it doesn't eject outside, like the manuals on Type 69s and ZTD-05s but with munition safely stored in bustle.
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imranyounus

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From the looks of things it seems China is going the US way of Next generation Tank development. a small and more agile tank.
Or is china is soon going to launch a more heaver MTB ?.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
No.
This is a light specialized vehicle to support special troops In particular Amphibious forces.
The Type 96 and Type 99 are the MBTs of the PLA and I doubt it will be replaced anytime soon. These are more fire support platforms like the old soviet PT76.
 

Hendrik_2000

Lieutenant General
No.
This is a light specialized vehicle to support special troops In particular Amphibious forces.
The Type 96 and Type 99 are the MBTs of the PLA and I doubt it will be replaced anytime soon. These are more fire support platforms like the old soviet PT76.

I believe that is not the intended use of this new tank. It has more to do with the geography of southern china which is mountainous, crisscrossing by many rivers and the proliferation of rice paddies, swamp, narrow road.

Those bridges has weight limitation and the main battle field tank type 99 or type 98 is just to heavy and too large and has high ground pressure. It will get stuck in swampy Southern China operation or Tibet , Himalaya front.

During the conflict with Vietnam Chinese infantry suffer large casualty because lack of APC and they did use type 62 tank but it is too thin only have 40 mm armor need updated model and that is what this tank are for.It can also equipped rapid reaction forces.Anyway there is more tidbit from Sputnik

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ASIA & PACIFIC 23:02 05.01.2017(updated 00:58 06.01.2017) Get short URL107199496 In late December 2016 images started cropping up on Chinese internet forums indicating that ground units in Beijing’s military may be armed with a new light tank. The combat vehicle supposedly being used by the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) was first seen in 2011. Photographs show ten of the new vehicles on a flatbed railcar, seemingly making their way through southern China’s Guangxi Province Guilin railway station. Within Guangxi’s jurisdiction is Guangdong, home to the PLA’s new Southern Theatre Command, and the photos indicate that the tanks may be on their way to the new unit. ©

Popular Chinese website Sina.com reported on the tank in January 2016, detailing its features, weaponry and combat history. The tank reportedly weighs at about 35 tons and can accommodate a crew of four, though some have suggested that an autoloader for the vehicle’s 105 mm main gun lowers its crew capacity to three.

According to Jane’s, the PLA became interested in light tanks in the 1950s out of a need to navigate southern China’s rice paddies, low-capacity ridges and inadequate roads. Light tank development was put on hold in the 1990s as focus shifted to amphibious combat vehicles, reemerging in the early 2000s. ©

Sina.com reported that the weapon can fire gun-launched missiles and tungsten-alloy anti-tank rounds with the ability to pierce up to 500 mm of armor, while the commander’s optics and the gun’s main sight seem to be adapted from the T-99A2 battle tank. There also appears to be a shell-tracking radar mounted on the gun, along with an ‘arrowhead’ turret complete with laser detectors and detachable reactive armor blocks. Smoke grenade launchers can also be carried on the turret bustle. Liquid gas suspension may also be featured in the tank, which will help make air and rail transport easier and give it the ability to be better hidden on terrain.

The vehicle’s wide tracks reportedly equip it with a ground pressure rating that rivals the 2-ton E Type 62/WZ-131 light tank that Beijing used in the early 1960s. If the reports are accurate, this would mean the tank could successfully traverse rice paddies. ...
 
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imranyounus

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For a light tank it is very well equipped in the field of fire power and protection. I believe that with rapid developments in new materials this is going to be the future of tanks. lighter faster and well protected. further it will be easier to deploy in war zone.

Heavy tanks will be of limited use or at best you can say that in future heavy tanks will be limited to back up on rapid infantry advances or as a defensive role/ or may be in a planed war/offensive. But for future wars which will most likely be quick and limited you will need such type of light tans.
 
I believe that is not the intended use of this new tank. It has more to do with the geography of southern china which is mountainous, crisscrossing by many rivers and the proliferation of rice paddies, swamp, narrow road.
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I think Terran Empire is responding to posts 165 & 164 regarding the ZTD-05 rather than talking about the ZTQ light tank.
 

Gloire_bb

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This is what a bustle loader look like, It is located at the turret of the tank . Normally there is separation or bulkhead between the crew and the ammunition. If the tank get hit there is blow up panel on the top of ammunition stowage that release the explosion upward and away from the crew. Safer for the crew. the turret of this type of tank is large and bulky
Yes, like this.
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Question on safety isn't as simple.
For example, because only one of them truly has fully safe storage(M1 Abrams has both turret and hull storages fitted with blow away pannels). Most of others have large and relatively vulnerable storages in hull.

More like reputation of soviet tank families suffered very heavily in early 1990s, while western ones got their "fame" only recently. Nevertheless -

If the tank is ever breached(hit)
If ammo storage is hit.
There were more than enough cases of such tanks being able to withstand multiple hits and even penetrations w/o ignition.
 
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