plawolf
Lieutenant General
That article and attitude pretty much sums up the close-minded, willfully ignorant, entitled, superior and mutual back scratching, old-boys-club culture that permiates western military estblishements and the parasites housepets they keep, who are also known as defence correspondents.
By all means, not all defence correspondents are like that, but sadly the overwhelming majority fall into the above charactisation.
You can almost smell the sourness and raw hatred from that piece, and the core reason is summed up below.
You see, companies like Janes pay a lot of money to send correspondents like the Dummy McDumbface here, who wrote that piece, to international defence shows, so they expect to get exclusives in return.
Underneath all the sourness and hate peddling, you can almost taste the desperation and fear from someone who knows they got absolutely nothing to present to his bosses to justify the big expenses bill he has ratcheted up.
If you apply the most rudimentary logic check, you can see that the above claim is grade 1 prime BS.
Why bother holding a defence show at all if China really was remotely as secretive and paranoid as he is trying to claim?
The truth is not that the Chinese are super secretive. The Chinese give out plenty of detailed information, they just don't waste their time talking to western defence correspondents like McDumbface here because the Chinese knows those people are bought and paid for by western defence companies.
Any information China gives to people like that will only be twisted to serve the interests of western defence firms, who treat western defence writers like royalty. Giving the, exclusive interviews while winning and dinning them at expensive restaurants.
At Chinese trade shows, buyers get special treatment and all the detailed info and sales pitches. Defence Correspondents from the west, who not only have zero contracts, but are also likely on a 'black list' for all the crap they been writing about China, probably literally could not get the time of day from organisers.
That piece is so full of holes and logical fallacies you couldn't even use it as a fishing net to catch whales.
Just a few of the other most glaring errors and logic fails:
- that carrier shown being kill is not America, but Japanese.
- that carrier was killed by coastal defences. So who is really the aggressor in that scenario?
- have a delegation at the show means nothing. Not every delegation buys arms. I'm sure the Iranians at least were at several other major arms shows. Would anyone be moronic enough to make any crazy claims based merely on the presence of a foreign military delegation?
- not all the weapons displayed are operationally fielded by the PLA, or even finished products. Generally, equipment picked up by the PLA don't attend such shows except where they got special dispensation from the PLA. Most of the companies and weapons on show are ones that failed to attract official PLA backing, so are looking for international customers to fund development and production.
So it's not that the Chinese government is funding the development of 6 SAM systems of roughly the same performance. But rather there are 6 different companies with systems at varying stages of development making offering to anyone who wish to back their venture.
Most if not all of those SAM programmes will progress little or no further if they fail to attract any funding and/or orders. It's just capitalism at work.
Such a thing may seem shocking and alien to a western defence correspondent because special interests have completely captured western governments when it comes to defence.
Long gone are the days when western defence firms borne the risks and costs of failed weapons development offerings. Instead, in the west, pretty much the entirety of the costs and risks of new weapons development have been transferred over to the taxpayers. While western defence firms still gets to charge the taxpayer a whopping profit margin for weapons systems' whose development was already funded by the government and taxpayers.
This is why western defence firms, and their minions in the guise of western defence correspondents are so obsessed with bad mouthing China.
Not only are Chinese weapons increasingly able to go toe-to-toe with the best the west has to offer, China's competative and effective defence industry is a mortal threat to the exceptionally lucrative racket western defence firms have managed to create for themselves through the tool of legalised corruption in the form of political contributions.
By all means, not all defence correspondents are like that, but sadly the overwhelming majority fall into the above charactisation.
You can almost smell the sourness and raw hatred from that piece, and the core reason is summed up below.
One is that even to this day, Russian-made weapons are produced from design bureaus and military production plants that are well known to the international community. Which company makes air-launched weapons, which design office is responsible for certain types of radars—these are not deep, dark mysteries, as they are in the Middle Kingdom. Unlike any other event of its kind, Air Show China has become famous for the sudden and unexplained appearance of new weapons that have never been seen or heard of before. Where and when they were built is almost never clear.
What's more, in most cases, there is no one on-site at the show who will claim to work for the companies producing these weapons or be willing or able to say much about the item you are looking at and how it compares with other similar foreign products. On the odd occasion when someone is present as a representative of one of these Chinese arms-makers, they almost always claim to know nothing in detail about these systems being displayed. There is an atmosphere of deception and paranoia, with great effort taken to hide any and all information about the systems on display.
You see, companies like Janes pay a lot of money to send correspondents like the Dummy McDumbface here, who wrote that piece, to international defence shows, so they expect to get exclusives in return.
Underneath all the sourness and hate peddling, you can almost taste the desperation and fear from someone who knows they got absolutely nothing to present to his bosses to justify the big expenses bill he has ratcheted up.
If you apply the most rudimentary logic check, you can see that the above claim is grade 1 prime BS.
Why bother holding a defence show at all if China really was remotely as secretive and paranoid as he is trying to claim?
The truth is not that the Chinese are super secretive. The Chinese give out plenty of detailed information, they just don't waste their time talking to western defence correspondents like McDumbface here because the Chinese knows those people are bought and paid for by western defence companies.
Any information China gives to people like that will only be twisted to serve the interests of western defence firms, who treat western defence writers like royalty. Giving the, exclusive interviews while winning and dinning them at expensive restaurants.
At Chinese trade shows, buyers get special treatment and all the detailed info and sales pitches. Defence Correspondents from the west, who not only have zero contracts, but are also likely on a 'black list' for all the crap they been writing about China, probably literally could not get the time of day from organisers.
That piece is so full of holes and logical fallacies you couldn't even use it as a fishing net to catch whales.
Just a few of the other most glaring errors and logic fails:
- that carrier shown being kill is not America, but Japanese.
- that carrier was killed by coastal defences. So who is really the aggressor in that scenario?
- have a delegation at the show means nothing. Not every delegation buys arms. I'm sure the Iranians at least were at several other major arms shows. Would anyone be moronic enough to make any crazy claims based merely on the presence of a foreign military delegation?
- not all the weapons displayed are operationally fielded by the PLA, or even finished products. Generally, equipment picked up by the PLA don't attend such shows except where they got special dispensation from the PLA. Most of the companies and weapons on show are ones that failed to attract official PLA backing, so are looking for international customers to fund development and production.
So it's not that the Chinese government is funding the development of 6 SAM systems of roughly the same performance. But rather there are 6 different companies with systems at varying stages of development making offering to anyone who wish to back their venture.
Most if not all of those SAM programmes will progress little or no further if they fail to attract any funding and/or orders. It's just capitalism at work.
Such a thing may seem shocking and alien to a western defence correspondent because special interests have completely captured western governments when it comes to defence.
Long gone are the days when western defence firms borne the risks and costs of failed weapons development offerings. Instead, in the west, pretty much the entirety of the costs and risks of new weapons development have been transferred over to the taxpayers. While western defence firms still gets to charge the taxpayer a whopping profit margin for weapons systems' whose development was already funded by the government and taxpayers.
This is why western defence firms, and their minions in the guise of western defence correspondents are so obsessed with bad mouthing China.
Not only are Chinese weapons increasingly able to go toe-to-toe with the best the west has to offer, China's competative and effective defence industry is a mortal threat to the exceptionally lucrative racket western defence firms have managed to create for themselves through the tool of legalised corruption in the form of political contributions.
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