Zheng He (1371-1433), the Chinese Muslim Admiral

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BLUEJACKET

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Gaginang said:
what was zheng he's expedition different from other traveller (not explorer since he already known what's out there) was dat he didn't travel cheap into the unknown. he brought with him treasure of china to trade with the world. he didn't cheat or stole from the natives.

it's rather sad to compare him to european explorer. zheng he can only class above european or nothing at all. he is credited for bringing muslim to indonesia from china. muslim was not brought to indonesia by the arab.

there are temples built dedicated to zheng he, even though he is a islam believer local chinese revere him as God of the Sea. i think dat's is a fair statement. since he cleared out the pirates infected water of indonesia in his time, to make way for sea routes to trade between india and china.

his achievement for humanity is still yet fully known, i hope they can find more evidences to proof him alleged achievement.
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Yes, he was second to none! But let us remember that the word "admiral" is Arabic! I think Arab traders landed in Indonesia before the Chinese, simply because they plied Indian Ocean long before his time and traded with India, E. Africa, Sri Lanka, SE Asia and China itself (since at least 851 AD)- and sure they were in Indonesia before that date.
Arab immigration to Indonesia, Malaysia and Singapore started around 4th century A.D. and continues to the present day. Arabs are respected by the Malays because they are seen as the carriers of Islam.
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"It is an extraordinary finding because on the ship we can find artefacts that come from five Chinese dynasties. And also we can find another artefact that indicates there was a spread of Islam in Indonesia from the 10th Century.
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i've just been to indonesia a few months ago, the muslim there believed they were 7 chinese muslim brought the religioun there. one of which died in Java. they even built a temple for him.

before the chinese went to indonesia the country was hindu and budduhdt.
there was no way the arab COULD be allowed to entered hindu terrictory, since the hindu and arab were enermy. the only way they came was through the silk road.

Ps how accurate is website reference bud ?
 
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Arabs had pretty much a monopoly over the spice trade between Europe and Asia. It is hard to believe that Arabs did not venture into Java for whatever reason. Certainly being Hindu did not mean automatic hatred / dislike for Arabs. The hinduism practiced in East Indies is / was different from what you would find in India. For instance Hindus of Bali follow different dietary practices than Hindus of India in general.

Also a mausoleum should not be called a temple. It would be ironic if a temple were to be built for a muslim, especially one whose example inspired people to convert to Islam. After all Islam is a strictly monotheistic religion.
 
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Zheng he never had such giant ships, there is not any prove for it, noone has seen them in 15th century and there is only one drawing of them in wich they are much smaller. He also never landed in america(newport) the so called star observatory there is just a copy of one wich is locaed in england.

This is all the theory of a so called sciencist called Menzies. It's really weird how everyone now belives this is true. He fleq over an island and saw some big white aereas in the grass, he just claimed this are sank junks without ever looking at it. Also the so called Shipyard to repair the sank junks after they were hit by a hurricane was now tested and is most likely natural origin. One step earlier the Map in venice is showing one little junk with a text under it with something like "they only found 70 days of open water and just returned" , thats about it
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Well did you ever ask yourself; what made Columbus sooo sure that sailing westwards towards the (End of the World, rim of the plate) he would end up in India? I don't think he was so nutty or crazy to do so without having some information or indication about what is in the West. So where did his information come from ? or what maps made him so convinced? It is known that the early Western sailors, explorers and merchants did have contacts to their Muslims counterparts and therefore also knowledge about India or was Columbus from the start on eying and expecting a Continent or land in between due to some strange unknown map originating or dating back to Zheng He's voyage?
 
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he knew the world was round becuase he was a navigator. Any person on the open sea can tell the world is round beucase you can see the curve of the horizon and watch ships sail up over it. Also northern European fishermen were sailing to Labrador to fish and of course their were the migratory bird flights. India has been know of since the Romans sailed in the area.

America has probalby been visted by ships blown off course from both sides as long as man has sailed the seas. America was never discovered, it was jsut found, lost and refound again.
 
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Even before Zheng He time, there was a
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who came to Europe by land to find allies against the Muslims!
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Sauma was the Mongol Empire's first envoy to Europe, just 50 years after Mongol armies were repulsed at the gates of Vienna. Much of his diaries have survived, giving a unique perspective on the West. "Sauma is a reverse Marco Polo," says Morris Rossabi of the City University of New York, author of
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. And while Polo set out to find trading opportunities, Sauma aimed to forge an alliance to drive the Muslims from the Middle East. It was "an extraordinary example of early geopolitics," says Rossabi.
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Taigong said:
or was Columbus from the start on eying and expecting a Continent or land in between due to some strange unknown map originating or dating back to Zheng He's voyage?
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There is no evidence that he had any maps from China to rely upon. You can't practice History with such tenuous links - if there's nothing to back that up then it isn't even worth considering.
 
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