Z-10 thread

[Lion]

Re: what Lion, Plawolf mentioned regarding armor protection for the Z-10...

I'm not going to be euphemistic here, China's ground military equipment at least is known for being underarmored, from tanks, IFVs and APCs, to all sorts of supposedly armored cars, to body armor for its troops and paramilitary forces.

We at least know that the big bottleneck in China's aircraft industry is with engines, I don't know if there is a parallel problem with engines for ground and/or naval equipment. This may be the actual cause of an underarmoring tendency in China's military equipment, or it may be an exacerbating factor to an existing underarmoring tendency due to resource constraints or simply a tactical habit.

I think underarmoring is at the level of a systemic problem for China, combined with issues in developing powerful aircraft engines I would not bet on the Z-10 being able to reliably withstand anything heavier than 7.62mm rounds.

That is a perception problem associate with old china. China is no more the same as 20 years ago. It's starting to get more and more advanced. There is a limit you can go for under armour. China has its own criteria when comes to armour. I give you a good example is the ZTZ-99G. This tank is estimate at a whopping 54 tons. The Russian T-99 is at most 50tons. The Chinese one is by no means a big tank plus it's using auto loader, meaning its doesn't require the bigger space compare to western tank. More or less tells you the level of protection PLA emphasize for it. PLA always try to use American standard as a guideline. I do not think they will settle for less. As I say again WZ-10 is not as big as apache. It doesn't need an engine as powerful as it...

 

[asif iqbal]

Actually Lion WZ-10 is a pretty large helo, and it’s not that light either, yes lighter than AH-64 but not by much

Even the AH-64 needed modifications when it was sent to Iraq and Afghanistan, so WZ-10 is no different

Regarding engine, yes it is very important, and WZ-10 is no different, new models of the AH-64D can lift more than 1,000kgs of armaments of all sorts, that includes 16 x Hellfire ATGM, which together weight more than 800kgs alone, do you know the advantage this kind of this kind of lift capacity gives to AH-64D? far too much

Having a more powerful engine means more weapons, more fuel and more flying time over target, in COIN operations this is a pre-request

No doubt WZ-10 has been designed bottom to top to fight but when you do it for real you playing an altogether a different game and I bet WZ-10 would come back with a whole load of design and modification’s after doing COIN opps as it currently stands it would perform poorly

 

[kyuryu]

Actually Lion WZ-10 is a pretty large helo, and it’s not that light either, yes lighter than AH-64 but not by much

Even the AH-64 needed modifications when it was sent to Iraq and Afghanistan, so WZ-10 is no different

Regarding engine, yes it is very important, and WZ-10 is no different, new models of the AH-64D can lift more than 1,000kgs of armaments of all sorts, that includes 16 x Hellfire ATGM, which together weight more than 800kgs alone, do you know the advantage this kind of this kind of lift capacity gives to AH-64D? far too much

Having a more powerful engine means more weapons, more fuel and more flying time over target, in COIN operations this is a pre-request

No doubt WZ-10 has been designed bottom to top to fight but when you do it for real you playing an altogether a different game and I bet WZ-10 would come back with a whole load of design and modification’s after doing COIN opps as it currently stands it would perform poorly

You make valid observations regarding operational combat experience and the lesson's learnt being incorporated into the AH-64D post Iraq and currently in Afghanistan. However, many of these changes were planned and implemented post the first Gulf War -- All combat systems incorporate enhancements and upgrades after actual combat experience has been analysed. My point being, it's a big leap to assume that a system will 'perform badly' vs a system will be further enhanced once combat experience has been accrued.

RE: Upgraded engines -- the biggest advantage this gives a platform like the AH-64 beyond its raw lift capacity is improved hot / high performance, especially in mountainous Afghanistan.

 

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[asif iqbal]

nice to see 6th Aviation Regiment WZ-10

so we have WZ-10 Regiments 4th, 5th, 6th, 8th and 9th

and for WZ-19 we have 2nd, 4th, 8th and 9th

i think we are seeing a WZ-10 and WZ-19 Regiments standing up every 4-5 months, the fleet is about to get really big

within a few years we will see hundreds of these helos operating in PLA and hopefully PLAN

 

[asif iqbal]

nothing to do with WZ-10 but it now appears that the new Apache AH-64D Block III will be designated AH-64E, it is said to be a new model so its been given a new name

Block I and II are still called AH-64D

it is said that the new AH-64E can control UAVS and has Link-16 installed, older versions will be upgraded to this standard in the coming years

i dont know about the power but its said its close to 2,000kw, which is probably double the output for WZ-10!!

lets hope we see these kind of developments for future WZ-10 models also

 

[hmmwv]

They will have to do with WZ9 now, guess the cloning of PT6C is not that easy.

BTW there is no such designation as WZ10, it's always Z10 and Z19.

 

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[MwRYum]

They will have to do with WZ9 now, guess the cloning of PT6C is not that easy.

BTW there is no such designation as WZ10, it's always Z10 and Z19.

They've been working on that for years, and if Z-10 is forced to use inferior engine as of now, that means China have yet to make the need breakthrough in terms of high-performance turbine engine.

It always comes down to engine issue...