Z-10 thread

[mig-31]

One of the first modern attack helicopter made by China.
I heard people said that Z-10 is held back by 5 main issues:
1-Underpowered engine, so it can't fly fast or at high altitude
2- Lack of rotor radar mass, so it can't hide near treetop, below the radar horizon
3- Very thin armor, only resistance against 7.56 mm bullet, unlike AH-64, Mi-28 or Ka-52 which are resistance to 23 mm HE.
4- Short range air to air weapons, while AH-64, Mi-28 can be equipped with dedicated missiles such as R-74 and AIM-9x, both have longer range and better HOBS capability
5- Lack DIRCM countermeasure.
Are these claims true? if not, then where are the mistake? are these solved on Z-10ME?
Can the Z-10ME on it own stand up to heavier counterparts such as AH-64 or MI-28NM?, Does it have any unique perks ?

 

[mig-31]

Do anyone have an English version of this photo?
Or alternatively, what are the new system on the new Z-10 prototype? does it include DIRCM?

Can the new CM-501XA on Z-10ME be used against others helicopter ? is there any information regarding what sensor does CM-501XA use?

 

[Biscuits]

You are comparing a light attack helicopter to heavy attack helicopters. That’s apples and oranges.

The Z-10 is slightly more maneuverable, has way better range, and most importantly can carry a large loadout compared to it’s size - it’s armament is not less than the AH-64 despite only being the size of the Eurocopter Tiger.

Like the Tiger, only the important parts on the Z-10 is rated to withstand 23mm, however it does seem like more of it is armored compared to the Tiger.

Through PL-9, the Z-10 has excellent anti air capability, but so does the AH-64 with it’s AIM-9 missiles. In that area, the Russian helicopter falls behind.

AFAIK, the US Apache does not have top attack munitions such as the Spike or HJ-10, but the Israeli ones do.

If fighting against opponents who rely on AA guns heavily, the Apache and Mi-28 is better, at least if you expect to get hit, otherwise the better range on the Z-10 could push it ahead.

If fighting an opponent that relies on AAA and short range AAM for air defense, the Z-10 (and Tiger) would be preferable, since anything that gets hit would die anyways, and the Z-10 has better anti tank, anti air, better range and flight characteristic. It’s smaller, so you can build more of it, and it doesn’t even sacrifice the number of missiles.

 

[asif iqbal]

Yes but I don’t think the Z10 has very good performance and handling

 

[mig-31]

You are comparing a light attack helicopter to heavy attack helicopters. That’s apples and oranges.

The Z-10 is slightly more maneuverable, has way better range, and most importantly can carry a large loadout compared to it’s size - it’s armament is not less than the AH-64 despite only being the size of the Eurocopter Tiger.

Like the Tiger, only the important parts on the Z-10 is rated to withstand 23mm, however it does seem like more of it is armored compared to the Tiger.

Through PL-9, the Z-10 has excellent anti air capability, but so does the AH-64 with it’s AIM-9 missiles. In that area, the Russian helicopter falls behind.

AFAIK, the US Apache does not have top attack munitions such as the Spike or HJ-10, but the Israeli ones do.

If fighting against opponents who rely on AA guns heavily, the Apache and Mi-28 is better, at least if you expect to get hit, otherwise the better range on the Z-10 could push it ahead.

If fighting an opponent that relies on AAA and short range AAM for air defense, the Z-10 (and Tiger) would be preferable, since anything that gets hit would die anyways, and the Z-10 has better anti tank, anti air, better range and flight characteristic. It’s smaller, so you can build more of it, and it doesn’t even sacrifice the number of missiles.

Isn't Mi-28N also equipped with R-73?
also as far as i know the range of R-73 is greater than AIM-9 and especially Type 90

 

[mig-31]

Yes but I don’t think the Z10 has very good performance and handling

why do you think so?

 

[Hendrik_2000]

why do you think so?

Because he is ignorant and style expert when he does not know a thing just like you

 

[asif iqbal]

Because he is ignorant and style expert when he does not know a thing just like you

Chinese fanboy offended by feedback given by PA who tested the Z10 for months in all conditions in Pakistan including high altitude and high temperatures

However fanboys like you seem to know more than a professional army who probably doesn’t even know what Z10 stands for

Keep crying

 

[Dfangsaur]

Chinese fanboy offended by feedback given by PA who tested the Z10 for months in all conditions in Pakistan including high altitude and high temperatures

However fanboys like you seem to know more than a professional army who probably doesn’t even know what Z10 stands for

Keep crying

I agree that there are better options than Z-10 out there on the market right now for PA. In fact if not for the indigenous requirement, I believe PLA would rather have something like Hind or Havoc or Apache.

 

[gelgoog]

I think the Z-10 was selected because it was a cost reducing measure. Owning the technology they can manufacture it in the numbers they desire without license fees. They could have easily bought the Hind or the Havoc but they clearly did not feel like doing it.
Also, they had prior experience with European fenestron tail helicopters so they simply built on that.