Yemen Crisis/Conflict & the "Decisive Storm" Coalition

Jura said:

Have you heard of the style of the Saudi air-campaign? like targeting buildings of the World Heritage Site etc., something I found loathsome, while "involved in conflicts on multiple fronts and need the flexibility to shift focus on multiple priorities"

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Saudis may have the best equipment $ can buy but their CnC structure, their professionalism and training leave much to be desired.

kwaigonegin said:

Saudis may have the best equipment $ can buy but their CnC structure, their professionalism and training leave much to be desired.

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And what about their strategic insight?

delft said:

And what about their strategic insight?

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Dunno... I can only comment on things I am fairly certain is true based on what I now HOWEVER if I have to hazard a guess they are in disarray in terms of strategic initiatives and policies.

IMHO The house of Saud is in a disastrous predicament and trying to either placate or fight everyone and everything but with no clear objective and directions akin to a chicken with it's head cut off.

In a nutshell, on one hand they NEED to ally with the US for economic/military purposes (and US pressure to be quite honest) and also as a counter balance to Iran but on the other their overall agenda does not fit in well with US foreign policies. On the cultural side their brand of belief (Salafist/Wahabbism) is highly incompatible with Western values and majority of Saudis are also extremely anti US. In Saudi culture the Church (Sunni Mosque) = State. Not only is there no separation but it is just one entity.

All these variables play a crucial role in carving out their messy and ambiguous strategic goals and planning.

delft said:

And what about their strategic insight?

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And fighting spirit

Jura said:

Have you heard of the style of the Saudi air-campaign? like targeting buildings of the World Heritage Site etc., something I found loathsome, while "involved in conflicts on multiple fronts and need the flexibility to shift focus on multiple priorities"

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I never said they are admirable, just that they are not losing in Yemen. In many ways in addition to their conduct of war they behave in a very regressive manner that is not good for human progress.

PanAsian said:

I never said they are admirable, just that they are not losing in Yemen. In many ways in addition to their conduct of war they behave in a very regressive manner that is not good for human progress.

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my point has been Saudis are not winning despite their resources, for example
Jan 21, 2016

Jura said:

now I found the map below (on Twitter, comes from a group which seems to relatively accurately cover the conflict in Syria, so I doubt it's pure fan-art); if it was genuine, it would mean territorial LOSSES of the Saudi-led coalition at places ...

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Feb 13, 2016

Jura said:

now I found a video which purports to show a Saudi M1A2S Abrams captured (intact?) INSIDE of Saudi Arabia, in

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area,
by Houthis who then blasted it off:

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but you presented what sounded like spin doctoring to me, flexibility, focus, priorities, and blah:
https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/ye...ive-storm-coalition.t7260/page-28#post-398828
so I'll leave it to our Readers cheers

I am not too sure where should I put this news, but it is very important news ... and extremely interesting. Interesting whether Obama would veto it

Senate passes bill allowing 9/11 victims to sue Saudi Arabia

Jura said:

my point has been Saudis are not winning despite their resources, for example
Jan 21, 2016

Feb 13, 2016

but you presented what sounded like spin doctoring to me, flexibility, focus, priorities, and blah:
https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/ye...ive-storm-coalition.t7260/page-28#post-398828
so I'll leave it to our Readers cheers

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Your saying that the side is "losing" which has control of the overall direction of the conflict, has the opposing side under siege, and can meaningfully bombard the opposing side at will sounds more like spin doctoring to me. In real life the lack of total victory does not equal losing.

PanAsian said:

Your saying that the side is "losing" which has control of the overall direction of the conflict, has the opposing side under siege, and can meaningfully bombard the opposing side at will sounds more like spin doctoring to me. In real life the lack of total victory does not equal losing.

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Can the Saudi pull out tomorrow without having Hadi getting kick out again? A month from now? A year from now?

PanAsian said:

Your saying that the side is "losing" which has control of the overall direction of the conflict, has the opposing side under siege, and can meaningfully bombard the opposing side at will sounds more like spin doctoring to me. In real life the lack of total victory does not equal losing.

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just more thing Amigo: if I'm not mistaken, the only time I used the word
loosing
recently in this Thread was in

Jura said:

Jura said:

any interest in this war at all? ...

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based on the most recent interview with

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it seems even Saudi Arabia is loosing an interest (plus (tiny) parts of its own territory! if one believed this map:

List of countries by military expenditures:
Rank Country Spending ($ Bn.) % of GDP Per capita ($)
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81.8 12.9 2949
Money does not always buy victories

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I'm done here.