Xinjiang Terror Attack 29 July 2014

paintgun

Senior Member
Re: Terror attack in Xinjiang

There is a question: there are 56 nations in China, and why uyghur is the only one embrace terrorism?

Racial Islam is the major point, other nations, include the Tibetans are no so crude and militant.

I suspect the cause of rising terrorism in the Uyghur communities is spillover effect from global terrorism, in form of direct ties with foreign terror networks. Individuals and group of people do get into a self radicalization but it is direct contact and communication with terror organizations that pushes these people into actually committing into these actions.
 

port_08

Junior Member
Re: Terror attack in Xinjiang

If you keep feeding and giving weapons, promote conflicts, give breeding ground and safe haven for terrorists to operate. They will grow, just like plant, if u feed enough water to it, it'll just get bigger.

Sometimes these are control chaos with dastardly intention behind them, then it is out of control. Like Saudi Arabia, feeding weapons to groups it like, promote it's interest and vice versa. Same, Iran feeding the weapons, Russian giving arms, US congress passing the budget and supplying them as well to the middle east. The economic welfare of the people there is not taken care off, it's good business for the arms supplier. Then you throw religion into the mix. Innocent people die for nothing over there, due global capitalist military industrial arms traders can do big business. Look at how the company behind the "Iron Dome" promote its technology to sell more weapon...is like the whole Palestinian Israeli conflict is keep perpetual war. They don't want peace to come, peace means no business...so continue agitating, side cheering them on to fight like voyeuristic for the global television that make good news. Really sad, sad that there's no one sensible enough to stop such conflict and how murderistic politicians the likes of Netanyahoo are lobbied and planted as well promoted to become leaders. It's like a war zoo over there. One day, it will finally happen, one mushroom cloud that will be set off in the middle east. The hatred and that senseless killings will raise entire generation of kids that have awful thoughts that nothing but more killings and revenge.
 

port_08

Junior Member
Re: Terror attack in Xinjiang

I suspect the cause of rising terrorism in the Uyghur communities is spillover effect from global terrorism, in form of direct ties with foreign terror networks. Individuals and group of people do get into a self radicalization but it is direct contact and communication with terror organizations that pushes these people into actually committing into these actions.

Monkey see, monkey do you know...of course, background is important as well why they commit such act. Being bullied, nobody loves them, love of war/hero movies,jobless, someone close to them murdered, aggrieved or so on, the world owes them something...always some cause valid or not, motivation. Of course, there's always side audience like NGOs, left side, right side,states, animal lovers, weapons trader or so on cheering them on...adding more fuel to the fire. Also these people are aggrieved or somewhat, with whatever reason their agenda.

Information spread, peer pressure, easy to obtain weapons, radical materials. Now terrorists also knows how to promote them in youtube. People beheading one another and post in youtube. Youtube cheerfully allows it because it's big business, audience wants to see them, and advertisers loves it and promote their product all to cheering the jihadist and shareholders. Here, these organization like Youtube and so on, has lost their moral value...they are ammoral, immoral and totally devoid any sense of rationality and sense of responsibility what such video message means. Here, youtube has agenda, certain values are promoted and certain are not accordingly. You can see, how it bias towards certain coverage and certain if its' not align to their agenda, will not be shown. Jihadist wannabe, can now stay at their home, eating popcorn and cheer their comrades beheads infidels in youtube. Where's the outrage? Unfortunately no. It's good that China banned such organization like youtube and twitter in China.

Different culture, different people have way to take it on the world. The Japanese are the best...if they feel world aggrieves them, they just commit suicide as has highest suicide rates. That's the best and should be followed. You know, it's better to leave this society then to cause more troubles to others. At least it's polite way to go, rather then strapping up yourself with bombs shouting religious obscenenities or gun down innocents audience watching Batman movies in the cinema.
 

solarz

Brigadier
Re: Terror attack in Xinjiang

There is a question: there are 56 nations in China, and why uyghur is the only one embrace terrorism?

Racial Islam is the major point, other nations, include the Tibetans are no so crude and militant.

Did you forget the Tibet riots in 2008?

Uighurs are currently the only ones carrying out large-scale, sustained attacks in China because they are the only group capable of doing so. Chinese Uighurs have been fighting in jihads worldwide since the US invasion of Afghanistan. Remember those guys from Guantanamo Bay that the US refused to repatriate to China?

Nowadays, there are Chinese Uighurs fighting in Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and quite possibly even Libya, Nigeria and Mali.

Radical Islam is flushed with cash and have built up an extensive network of training and supplies. This is the real reason we're seeing a new spate of terror attacks in Xinjiang.
 
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Nowadays, there are Chinese Uighurs fighting in Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and quite possibly even Libya, Nigeria and Mali.

Radical Islam is flushed with cash and have built up an extensive network of training and supplies. This is the real reason we're seeing a new spate of terror attacks in Xinjiang.

Are they really "Chinese" Uighurs though as in citizens of the PRC? Or Uighurs from other countries who want to spread jihad into China?

It would appear that the western PRC border is pretty porous going in either direction. Does a Great Wall of Border Surveillance exist and if not would it be feasible and effective in preventing terrorism?
 

solarz

Brigadier
Re: Terror attack in Xinjiang

Are they really "Chinese" Uighurs though as in citizens of the PRC? Or Uighurs from other countries who want to spread jihad into China?

It would appear that the western PRC border is pretty porous going in either direction. Does a Great Wall of Border Surveillance exist and if not would it be feasible and effective in preventing terrorism?

They are reported to have PRC citizenship, so yes, I would say they are definitely Chinese.
 

plawolf

Lieutenant General
Re: Terror attack in Xinjiang

What China is experiencing now is the nightmare scenario western intelligence and security agencies are fearing about their nationals repatriating after waging jihad in foreign lands and bringing their knowledge, training, experience, networks and violence back home.

No wall can keep out traitors in your own ranks.

But geography makes a mockery of any attempt to fully secure a land boarder as vast as China's, so that's not really an option.

Even the US, with all its money and power, cannot keep out rag-tag bands of South America civilians. China trying to keep out well organised, financed, trained and equipped international terrorists along a far longer boarder with a fraction of the US boarder security budget is plainly never going to happen.

I think the big mistake the Chinese government did was clamp down so hard on the internet in Xinjiang. That in effect force educated all the hard core radicals in counter surveillance, which makes it much harder to monitor and identify the hardcore extremists at early stages of their radicalisation and development as would-be terrorists.

People may roll their eyes and laugh and police visit houses in the US because someone searched for pressure cookers after looking at something else before hand, but that is the kind if thing that would have stopped would be attackers, and it's why the US government employ such methods.

While the knowledge to mask IPs and encrypt communications is available to all, few terrorists start off deciding they want to be terrorists from childhood, and radicalisation does not happen overnight. In the US and other western countries, usually by the time someone has been radicalised enough to seriously consider committing terrorists acts and starts to employ counter survillence methods, its already far too late for the would be terrorists, as their unsecured internet history would have likely already put them on government watch lists, and if such people suddenly start going dark, that's when they start shooting up the threat list, and the authorities would likely already have on file their real names, address and other personnel details from before they started to secure their communications, so they would have a huge leg up in finding these people and either bringing them in, or watch them for suspicious activity and potentially root out entire hidden cells.
 
Miragedriver posted this in the World News thread but I think there is merit to posting this here as it is an assassination of a Uighur leader who co-operates with the PRC government.

Imam of China's largest mosque killed

The imam of China's largest mosque is stabbed to death after prayers on Wednesday in the far western city of Kashgar

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I will now get back to bottling my Malbec
 

ABC78

Junior Member
Chinese troops armed with type-03 assault rifles on patrol in Kashgar to stem the flow of terrorist infiltration into Xinjaing.

[video=youtube;TZl1R4jn2_4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZl1R4jn2_4[/video]
 
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jobjed

Captain
..Doombreed.. we do not allow foul language in this forum. Espically racial slurs..You are being awarded vacation..length to be determined.

First of all, tone down the profanity. It reflects a lack of imagination on your part if you can't even go a couple of sentences without resorting to swearing.

Total war is reserved for existential threats, as you have noted. These comparatively small 'incidents' do not warrant a genocidal military response. Throughout China's history, whenever a small minority have caused trouble above their weight class, the Chinese strategy was usually to assimilate them, both culturally and genetically, not wipe them out. President Xi seems to be adopting this tried-and-tested strategy in dealing with the ETIM annoyance; there are now plans to restore Han populations in Xinjiang and increase the 'exporting' of Uyghurs to every corner of China so that in a few generations, Uyghurs, as a distinct people, would cease to exist due to interbreeding with the Han or other relatively docile ethnic groups. Similar outcomes have been achieved for the Rourans, the Fujian area tribesmen etc; they no longer exist as a distinct group but rather as part of the Han collective.

Of course, China can always go the route of Emperor Wu of Han and completely expel the Uyghurs like the Han Dynasty did with the Xiongnu. However, that would be a disproportionate response. Whereas the Xiongnu actually posed an existential threat to the Han, the Uyghurs today only number ~10 million while the rest of the China number 1,300 million - not a very big threat at all, if they even qualify as a threat; more appropriate to call them a nuisance.
 
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