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[Gatekeeper]

Well for your last point, it's just Yasukuni Shrine, a place for the war dead. It's not anywhere else in Japanese society. It's not like Japanese people hold up portrait images of Tojo like how people do that with portraits of Stalin, or put Mao's face on every currency bill, or how fanboys wear swastikas a cheap demonstrations. Although people like Tojo at Yasukuni could theoretically serve as a launch pad of greater acceptance and a more justifying sort narrative and propaganda but that risk exist in most countries in their own national forms. The Tokyo Tribunal was a victors write history court. The basis for "Class A War crime" was for being "instrumental for the complete fault by Japan in starting WW2". But no as what a proper look at history shows, the Chinese communist, Chinag Kai-shek, and FDR was just as much of a cause for the start of that war. But whatever on it, I really don't dwell on it, but points have to be made sometimes. In the end, out of the major world powers in the race to be top power of the world.. out of Great Britain, the US, Russia/Soviet, Germany, Commie China, Imperial Japan, France.. the US coming out on top isn't so bad.. all things considered. Winners write the history for the masses. If Japan had won, it would have its on BS narrative in central acceptance. So in the end, I sometimes don't like pushing too hard with my conclusions.

The mental gymnastics is strong in this one. So strong it even put our friend who regularly post on the Hong Kong thread to shame!

There's just no limits to your talent to make things up. Yakasuni is not just a shrine. It's the symbol of everything Japanese stand for and show to honour their dead who scrafice for their empire. So please stop making excuses. You're just showing yourself up as either ignorant or worse a raving fascist who loves mass murder.

 

[hijiki]

The mental gymnastics is strong in this one. So strong it even put our friend who regularly post on the Hong Kong thread to shame!

There's just no limits to your talent to make things up. Yakasuni is not just a shrine. It's the symbol of everything Japanese stand for and show to honour their dead who scrafice for their empire. So please stop making excuses. You're just showing yourself up as either ignorant or worse a raving fascist who loves mass murder.

Oh yeah sure, Japan holds paperwork maniac nationalist and racist Tojo in high regard. They show that high regard with 1% GDP spending in defense spending, with 1.4 fertility rate, and a JAV industry the size of small country's GDP

 

[Hendrik_2000]

Well for your last point, it's just Yasukuni Shrine, a place for the war dead. It's not anywhere else in Japanese society. It's not like Japanese people hold up portrait images of Tojo like how people do that with portraits of Stalin, or put Mao's face on every currency bill, or how fanboys wear swastikas at cheap demonstrations. So in some way, them being at Yasukuni is sort of over complained really. Although people like Tojo at Yasukuni could theoretically serve as a launch pad of greater acceptance and a more justifying sort narrative and propaganda but that risk exist in most countries in their own national forms. The Tokyo Tribunal was a victors write history court. The basis for "Class A War crime" was for being "instrumental for the complete fault by Japan in starting WW2". But now as what a proper look at history shows, the Chinese communist, Chinag Kai-shek, and FDR was just as much of a cause for the start of that war. But whatever on it, I really don't dwell on it, but points have to be made sometimes. In the end, out of the major world powers in the race to be top power of the world.. out of Great Britain, the US, Russia/Soviet, Nazi Germany, Commie China, Imperial Japan, France.. the US coming out on top isn't so bad.. all things considered. Winners write the history for the masses. If Imperial Japan had won, it would have its own BS narrative in central acceptance. So in the end, I sometimes don't like pushing too hard with my conclusions.

Yasukuni shrine is not just an innocent Shinto but the ideological underpinning of Japanese fascist and military that is responsible for so much of the havoc in China and other Asian countries

It was created by Japanese military to honor their war dead and told Japanese youth to give up their life for emperor because the reward was they will be enshrined in Yasukuni for the eternity.

Even worse next to it is a museum Yūshūkan, that glorify the pacific war and if that is not unrepentant I don't know what is

The apology that the japanese politician issue wrung hollow if they keep attending the Yasukuni shrine!

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Yasukuni Shrine—once known formally as the Imperial Shrine of Yasukuni—is a Shinto shrine in the Chiyoda ward of Tokyo, Japan. Emperor Meiji established the shrine in order to honor and commemorate the sacrifice of Japan’s war dead: those who died serving the Japanese state and nation. Yasukuni Shrine was quickly expanded to memorialize all those who perished during Japan’s wars in the Meiji, Taishō and (early) Shōwa periods. However, the shrine has caused

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in recent history due to its enshrinement of Japanese war criminals from World War II. In addition, the Yūshūkan, a Japanese war history museum paired with Yasukuni Shrine, has been accused of

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in historical revisionism to exalt Japan’s past militarism during and immediately preceding World War II.

The manipulation of emotion to inflame nationalist feelings is employed at Yasukuni in parallel with an “alchemy of amnesia” at the Yūshūkan that intentionally omits certain atrocities and crimes from Japan’s national memory. Benedict Anderson argues in Imagined Communities that nationalism “has everything to do with invented tradition”; Selden points out that nationalism (in Japan’s case but also in other instances) is “equally” about repressing historical truths that cannot be amalgamated into a given agenda. Yasukuni Shrine and the Yūshūkan hence allow the nationalism of Imperial Japan to persist in continuity in modern Japan, creating a situation where Japan’s national identity is actively contested between proponents of Japan’s imagined history and opponents of such a revisionist outlook. Though all nation-states experience internal social and political friction when framing their national identity, the battle over Japan’s modern-day character produces specific troubles domestically and internationally that are worth scrutinizing more extensively.

 

[hijiki]

Yasukuni shrine is not just an innocent Shinto but the ideological underpinning of Japanese fascist and military that is responsible for so much of the havoc in China and other Asian countries

It was created by Japanese military to honor their war dead and told Japanese youth to give up their life for emperor because the reward was they will be enshrined in Yasukuni for the eternity.

Even worse next to it is a museum Yūshūkan, that glorify the pacific war and if that is not unrepentant I don't know what

The apology that the japanese politician issue wrung hollow if they keep attending the Yasukuni shrine!

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Yasukuni Shrine—once known formally as the Imperial Shrine of Yasukuni—is a Shinto shrine in the Chiyoda ward of Tokyo, Japan. Emperor Meiji established the shrine in order to honor and commemorate the sacrifice of Japan’s war dead: those who died serving the Japanese state and nation. Yasukuni Shrine was quickly expanded to memorialize all those who perished during Japan’s wars in the Meiji, Taishō and (early) Shōwa periods. However, the shrine has caused

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in recent history due to its enshrinement of Japanese war criminals from World War II. In addition, the Yūshūkan, a Japanese war history museum paired with Yasukuni Shrine, has been accused of

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in historical revisionism to exalt Japan’s past militarism during and immediately preceding World War II.

The manipulation of emotion to inflame nationalist feelings is employed at Yasukuni in parallel with an “alchemy of amnesia” at the Yūshūkan that intentionally omits certain atrocities and crimes from Japan’s national memory. Benedict Anderson argues in Imagined Communities that nationalism “has everything to do with invented tradition”; Selden points out that nationalism (in Japan’s case but also in other instances) is “equally” about repressing historical truths that cannot be amalgamated into a given agenda. Yasukuni Shrine and the Yūshūkan hence allow the nationalism of Imperial Japan to persist in continuity in modern Japan, creating a situation where Japan’s national identity is actively contested between proponents of Japan’s imagined history and opponents of such a revisionist outlook. Though all nation-states experience internal social and political friction when framing their national identity, the battle over Japan’s modern-day character produces specific troubles domestically and internationally that are worth scrutinizing more extensively.

The Yushukan gets called unrepentant in a spooky way in the media abroad but it's narrative is no worse in scholastic dishonesty or omission of some historical facts than the national narratives in the US or the PRC in all honesty.

 

[Hendrik_2000]

The Yushukan gets called unrepentant in a spooky way in the media abroad but it's narrative is no worse in scholastic dishonesty or omission of some historical facts than the national narratives in the US or the PRC in all honesty.

Except the difference is the Japanese military cause untold misery and pain inflicted on China and other Asian countries DONE TO OTHER COUNTRY!
Granted there are massacres and omission in both US or PRC revolutionary war but the motives are different Japan want to kill because she is master race and want to take the other people land and eliminate the other people So it is greed and cruelty.

The massacre and omission in China and Us is the byproduct of NATIONAL war and narrative to bend history in forming national identity

 

[hijiki]

A video of various buildings in Tainan, Taiwan that were built in the years when Taiwan was part of Japanese empire. The buildings are restored and are currently used as museums, police stations, school halls, and so on.

 

[taxiya]

The Yushukan gets called unrepentant in a spooky way in the media abroad but it's narrative is no worse in scholastic dishonesty or omission of some historical facts than the national narratives in the US or the PRC in all honesty.

What happened inside other countries such as US and China (not just PRC but earlier times too) are civil wars. These are internal issues, sooner or later will have to be addressed domestically. People within will deal with it, but the issues don't matter to anybody outside, and SHOULD NOT be business of outsiders, family matters, internal affairs.

What happened in WWII by Japan's part is EXTERNAL, that is a matter everybody especially east Asians have a say, not only that but hold Japan's attitude of the maters as an foundation for future relationships. Like it or not, it is not up to anybody especially Japan to get away with. Japan has been trying to pretend that is no more worse and can keep on trying. So will its neighbors keep on being suspicious of Japan's future. If one think having such kind of relationship with ones neighbor (especially growing more powerful) works fine, then so be it.

The statement of "no worse" is IMO apologist in nature trying to point somewhere else when challenged of own fault. That never helped.

 

[Gatekeeper]

What happened inside other countries such as US and China (not just PRC but earlier times too) are civil wars. These are internal issues, sooner or later will have to be addressed domestically. People within will deal with it, but the issues don't matter to anybody outside, and SHOULD NOT be business of outsiders, family matters, internal affairs.

What happened in WWII by Japan's part is EXTERNAL, that is a matter everybody especially east Asians have a say, not only that but hold Japan's attitude of the maters as an foundation for future relationships. Like it or not, it is not up to anybody especially Japan to get away with. Japan has been trying to pretend that is no more worse and can keep on trying. So will its neighbors keep on being suspicious of Japan's future. If one think having such kind of relationship with ones neighbor (especially growing more powerful) works fine, then so be it.

The statement of "no worse" is IMO apologist in nature trying to point somewhere else when challenged of own fault. That never helped.

Forget it. He is just a revisionist and apologies for the 'Great' imperial Japanese empire. And as such, they have done no wrong according to the likes of him.

 

[hijiki]

What happened inside other countries such as US and China (not just PRC but earlier times too) are civil wars. These are internal issues, sooner or later will have to be addressed domestically. People within will deal with it, but the issues don't matter to anybody outside, and SHOULD NOT be business of outsiders, family matters, internal affairs.

What happened in WWII by Japan's part is EXTERNAL, that is a matter everybody especially east Asians have a say, not only that but hold Japan's attitude of the maters as an foundation for future relationships. Like it or not, it is not up to anybody especially Japan to get away with. Japan has been trying to pretend that is no more worse and can keep on trying. So will its neighbors keep on being suspicious of Japan's future. If one think having such kind of relationship with ones neighbor (especially growing more powerful) works fine, then so be it.

The statement of "no worse" is IMO apologist in nature trying to point somewhere else when challenged of own fault. That never helped.

Narratives are external as well. If not, then no one would complain about textbooks

The other extenal matters have been addressed in previous posts.

 

[hijiki]

A temple in Taiwan enshrined a Japanese WW2 pilot.