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Silvestre said:
Germany have 105 active jets in and all are Eurofighter!!!!!
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What?! Where did you get that? That's just wrong.
We have one wing (TFW 33) at Büchel AB with two squadrons focused on ground attack, AI, CAS and another wing (TFW 51) at Jagel with one squadron remaining doing recce and SEAD missions primarily. I think in total some 70 TORNADOs remain in the air force, with a few of those undergoing maintenance at any one time.
 
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What?! Where did you get that? That's just wrong.
We have one wing (TFW 33) at Büchel AB with two squadrons focused on ground attack, AI, CAS and another wing (TFW 51) at Jagel with one squadron remaining doing recce and SEAD missions primarily. I think in total some 70 TORNADOs remain in the air force, with a few of those undergoing maintenance at any one time.
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No active forces.

Tornados are from 1970s and are third oldest jets after F-16 Falcon and F-15A.

Same like Mirage-2000 italiano jets come to world's.
 
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OK, Silvestre, I'm telling you those two TFWs I mentioned above are active - "front line" - units, flying the TORNADO. They are ready to fight if required. Especially since an A-G capability is only now being implemented into our EF fleet, those Tornados are the only option we have for A-G missions.
While they first became operational 35 years ago, our fleet has seen some significant upgrades lately (more are to come) which will keep the jets relevant into the foreseeable future. While the jets would face serious challanges when going against state of the art threats, there's still room to use them in less dangerous circumstances.
The same thing I guess goes for the Mirage-2000, which is about 5 years younger I think.

What do you mean with italian jets, by the way?
 
kwaigonegin

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Silvestre said:
Germany have befores at least Tornados and Britain today and Italy have Tornado. But it's history soon in Britain and Italy they go for F-35 and maybe Eurofighter and Gripen E for Britain. But not enough. France gonna gets down with Rafale little bit of then Mirage-2000 left by 130-140.

I will this formation air crafts in world in 2020's.:

1.China - 1500 - biggest strenght I will.
2.Russia - 1100 - Many great Sukhoi + PAK-50.
3.USA - 900 - F-15SE, F-22 and Super Hornets.
4.India - 500
5.Iran - 450
6.Egypt - 400
7.S.A. - 384 - Big strenght by big 1st force of 233,500 soldiers last 4-5 year.
8.Japan - 323 - Truely, maybe.
9.Pakistan - 300 - my dream formation with Pakistan.
10.France - 250 - Truely, maybe.


:cool: :D
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Are you counting only active duty combat aircrafts or what? Your numbers are very misleading... Maybe even erroneous alltogether. There will still be hundreds of vipers flying in the 2020s and probably similar numbers of F 35s as well.
 
Jeff Head

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Silvestre said:
I will this formation air crafts in world in 2020's.:

1.China - 1500 - biggest strenght I will.
2.Russia - 1100 - Many great Sukhoi + PAK-50.
3.USA - 900 - F-15SE, F-22 and Super Hornets.
4.India - 500
5.Iran - 450
6.Egypt - 400
7.S.A. - 384 - Big strenght by big 1st force of 233,500 soldiers last 4-5 year.
8.Japan - 323 - Truely, maybe.
9.Pakistan - 300 - my dream formation with Pakistan.
10.France - 250 - Truely, maybe.

:cool: :D
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What are you basing this on?

The US will have well over twice this number of fighter/bomber military aircraft in 2020.

You have to count all of the following which will still be operational in 2020...and with the F-35s coming on in large numbers, the numbers will not drop too much through the decade.

F-16C/D- 750
F-15C - 230
F-15E - 215
F-22 - 180
F-35A - 150
F-35B - 100
F-35C - 75
F-18C/D - 200
F-18E/F - 560
EA-18G - 120
AV-8B - 100

That's almost 2,700 aircraft for the US alone...and your number says 900? Sorry Silvestre...you are so very, very far off on the US numbers, and are forgetting so many types of US aircraft that will be in operation in that time frame...no offense mate, but you just do not know what you are talking about.

These are rough estimates of the transition of the F-18 and F-18 Hornet to the F-35 variants, and the overall numbers will be very nearly this...and of course not counting the other combat aircraft... bombers and other attack type aircraft.

I expect your estimates on others, particularly China are similarly flawed.
 
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Jeff Head said:
What are you basing this on?

That's almost 2,700 aircraft for the US alone...and your number says 900? Sorry Silvestre...you are so very, very far off on the US numbers, and are forgetting so many types of US aircraft that will be in operation in that time frame...no offense mate, but you just do not know what you are talking about.

These are rough estimates of the transition of the F-18 and F-18 Hornet to the F-35 variants, and the overall numbers will be very nearly this...and of course not counting the other combat aircraft... bombers and other attack type aircraft.
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My plannes and what I will with US air crafts.
They don't needs more that's 900 pcs.

China will force up wih FC-31, J-10 and J-20.
Russia will force up with PAK-50.
 
Jeff Head

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Silvestre said:
My plannes and what I will with US air crafts.
They don't needs more that's 900 pcs.

China will force up wih FC-31, J-10 and J-20.
Russia will force up with PAK-50.
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Okay...I see.

These numbers are what you feel the US and other nations should have after 2020?

But again...you are very far off.

The US, due to its global commitments and alliances, and due to the varied nature of its military involvement (eleven US Navy Aircraft carrier wings, many US fighter and tactical wings at bases all over the world, US Marine fighter squadrons off of eleven Amphibious assault ships and land bases, etc., etc.)...the US air combat capability would be absolutely gutted if they tried to get down to 900 total operational combat aircraft as you suggest.

Anyhow...I understand now that these numbers are not based on any professional military estimate or publication, but are your own thoughts and feelings on the matter..
 
Jeff Head

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kwaigonegin said:
Silvestre your messages are very difficult to understand. What exactly are you trying to say?
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As I read it, he believe the US total air combat capability in terms of fighters, attack, and strike, only needs to be 900 aircraft total (F-15, F-22. F-35, and F-18). And those are his own numbers and feelings on the issue.

He also believes that the Russian numbers will be what he says (again, his own numbers) based them doing a "force up," with PAK-50 (PAKFA/SU-50).

That China will reach his numbers by "forcing up." with J-31, J-20, and J-10.

Clearly...the thinking is seriously flawed with respect to US numbers at the least.
 
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