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gelgoog

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first project in China convert liquefied coal to oil in Hami Xinjiang
goal is to consumer 14.2m t of coal per year to produce 4million ton of oil products
So I think a lot of this is energy security to develop ways to counter blockade in Indian Ocean. converting coal to oil products or coal directly to chemical products remove the need for crude usage
Even though this is obviously not efficient or clean
I didn't see it in the article. But I would assume this plant is making diesel. Basically turning coal and water into diesel. Diesel molecules have a lot of carbon and not as much hydrogen as gasoline. So it requires less water to make diesel than a similar amount of gasoline.

Given the remoteness and low population density in Xinjiang electric power might not make sense there in some cases. This facility will provide that remote area with diesel without the need to carry it from possibly vast distances.

China is basically betting on every single technology to solve its energy problem. I initially doubted it would happen this century but I now think China will eventually reach an energy consumption level per capita similar to advanced nations over the next decade.
 
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I didn't see it in the article. But I would assume this plant is making diesel. Basically turning coal and water into diesel. Diesel molecules have a lot of carbon and not as much hydrogen as gasoline. So it requires less water to make diesel than a similar amount of gasoline.

Given the remoteness and low population density in Xinjiang electric power might not make sense there in some cases.

China is basically betting on every single technology to solve it's energy problem. I initially doubted it would happen this century but I now think China will eventually reach an energy consumption level similar to advanced nations over the next two decades.
not just diesel
国能哈密煤制油项目规划实施分为两个阶段。一期工程将重点建设煤矿、煤制油项目以及风光发电项目,通过整合煤炭资源、优化煤制油工艺和拓展清洁能源应用,为项目奠定坚实的基础。而二期工程则进一步拓展产业链,计划联产出PX(对二甲苯)和PGA(聚乙交酯)等重要的化工产品。其中,PX作为纺织原料,将与新疆的纺织产业形成紧密的耦合关系,推动当地纺织业的繁荣发展;而PGA作为可降解塑料,将在生活用品、农用地膜以及医用材料等领域发挥重要作用,进一步促进相关产业的创新与发展。
talks about paraxylene and polyglycolide for textile and plastics.

All these guys want to move up the value added chain from just diesel refining to chemicals
 

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very interesting, China and Saudi Arabia growth in petrochemicals are destroying the former petrochem export machine of South Korea

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Now Japan is forced out as well.

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Faced with growing competition from Chinese firms, Japanese chemical companies continue to close facilities, both in Japan and China.
In the most recent move, Mitsui Chemicals says it will shut down the phenol facility at its site in Ichihara, Japan, by 2026. Last year, Mitsui closed a purified terephthalic acid plant in Iwakuni, Japan, and a polypropylene line in Chiba, Japan. The company
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toluene diisocyanate production in Omuta, Japan, next year.
Masanori Kawakami, a chemical consultant based in Japan, says the country’s chemical industry is
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. “In an environment of deteriorating market conditions due to the current oversupply, the Japanese and Korean petrochemical industries are expected to be most affected by the competitive ethane-based US and Middle Eastern companies and the large expansion in China,” he says.
Meanwhile, Kawakami says, the superabsorbent polymer industry has been altered by Chinese firms’ large-scale expansion. “The oligopoly structure in which German and Japanese manufacturers held the market share has collapsed, and specialty has become commodity,” he says. The German firm Evonik Industries
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to sell its superabsorbents business.
 

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this should not be a surprise really. I mean we all know the deal here. There are far east production and the only one that makes economic sense to send it to via pipeline is China.

And Russia is competing against central asian states here.

The best thing that can happen here is replacing LNG deliveries with pipeline gas. There is no reason to continue to pay so much expensive LNGs from Australia, America and Qatar
 

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Chinese offshore giant CNOOC Ltd has kicked off development of a major oil discovery in the northern reaches of China's Bohai Bay.

The Kenli 10-2 field in the southern waters of Bohai Bay in water depths of 15.6 metres, is among the 16 offshore fields slated for development by CNOOC Ltd within the next three years.

The move is part of the company’s wider endeavour to escalate offshore production to between 810 million and 830 million barrels of oil equivalent by 2026, up from the projected 700 million to 720 million boe for the current year.

Located 245 kilometres from Tianjin city, development of the Kenli 10-2 field envisages installation of a central equipment platform (CEP) and two unmanned wellhead platforms, to be linked by seven subsea pipelines and four cables.
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China has commenced operation of its deepest mobile oil rig in the northern rim of South China Sea, to extract marginal resources amid its growing emphasis on energy security and technological self-reliance.
The offshore home-grown rig is located in the Enping oilfield, about 200km (124 miles) southwest of Shenzhen city, state broadcaster CCTV said on Saturday.
Developed by the state-owned China National Offshore Oil Corporation (CNOOC), the rig has a drilling capacity of 9,085 metres, with 8,689 metres being horizontal, making it the deepest and longest China has drilled, the report said.
The oil rig, dubbed the Enping 21-4 A1H wellhead platform, can produce 700 tonnes of oil per day after testing, CCTV said.
China’s leadership has been stepping up efforts to reduce its dependence on imported oil and gas amid escalating geopolitical uncertainties, including exploring more local oil resources and upgrading its oil-extraction technology.
 

gelgoog

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this should not be a surprise really. I mean we all know the deal here. There are far east production and the only one that makes economic sense to send it to via pipeline is China.
That article is specious. They are making it seem like China pays less for gas than Europe. But the thing is gas prices in Europe are currently highly inflated because of the destruction of Nord Stream pipeline and the conflict in Ukraine in general. Ukraine also closed one of the pipelines passing through their territory for example. That is why currently prices of gas in China are lower. In Europe the gas price is high due to a high amount of it being LNG bought on the spot market.

If you compare with the prices Europe was paying for natural gas in like 2020 the prices are totally different.

And Russia is competing against central asian states here.
The current Russian pipelines are much shorter than the Central Asian ones. So they are economically more effective.
The Siberian Brotherhood pipeline aka Power of Siberia 2 will have a similar distance to the Central Asian pipelines. But for Russia it is important to gasify those areas of the country the pipeline passes through. To reduce air pollution since those areas currently burn coal.
So for them the pipeline needs to get built whether China needs it or not.

The best thing that can happen here is replacing LNG deliveries with pipeline gas. There is no reason to continue to pay so much expensive LNGs from Australia, America and Qatar
In the long term countries like Vietnam are also expected to become LNG consumers. The less that China competes with these countries for supply the better. Due to simple physics LNG will always be more expensive. You need to liquefy the gas, and the transportation energy costs by ship vs pipeline are also higher.
 

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Chinese companies won five more bids to explore Iraqi oil and gas fields, Iraq's oil minister said on Sunday, as the Middle Eastern country's hydrocarbon exploration licensing round continued into its second day.
Chinese companies have been the only foreign players to win bids so far, taking licenses covering 10 oil and gas fields since Saturday, while Iraqi Kurdish company KAR Group took two.
The oil and gas licences for 29 projects in total are mainly aimed at ramping up output for domestic use, with more than 20 companies pre-qualifying, including European, Chinese, Arab and Iraqi groups.

Iraq wanted this licensing round - the country's sixth - in particular to increase output of natural gas, that it wants to use to fire power plants that rely heavily on gas imported from Iran. However, no bids were made on at least two fields with large gas potential, potentially undermining those efforts.
Also notably no U.S. oil majors have been involved, even after Iraqi Prime Minister Mohammed Shia met representatives of U.S. companies on an official visit to the United States last month.

Among specific awards, China's CNOOC Iraq won a bid to develop for oil exploration Iraq's Block 7, that extends across the country's central and southern provinces of Diwaniya, Babil, Najaf, Wasit and Muthanna, said oil minister Hayan Abdul Ghani.
ZhenHua, Anton Oilfield Services and Sinopec won bids to develop the Abu Khaymah oilfield in Muthanna, the Dhufriya field in Wasit and the Sumer field in Muthanna, respectively, the minister said.

China's Geo-Jade won a bid to develop Iraq's Jabal Sanam field for oil exploration in Basra province, Iraq's oil minister added.
Iraq, OPEC's second-largest oil producer behind Saudi Arabia, has been hampered in its oil sector development by contract terms viewed as unfavourable by many major oil companies, as well as recurring military conflicts and growing investor focus on environmental, social and governance criteria.
 

gelgoog

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If battery density keeps going up and price down it is also possible that you will see electric trucks become mainstream.
 
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