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solarz

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Brat,

You might be right. I missed this part.

Numbers without context are meaningless. So more than 100 churches have been issued demolition notices. How many churches are there in the entire Zhejiang province? 1000? 10,000? A figure of 10% might indicate something, while a figure of 1% would just be a statistical blip.

Second, are there characteristics in the Church-building "industry" that might lend itself to investigation? Are there systematic circumventions of local building codes? Bribing of local officials? We do not know, but these factors can easily skew the statistics.
 

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Breaking news!!!!!..

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Dozens of people were killed and injured in a "terrorist attack" in China's far western Xinjiang region, home to the mainly Muslim Uighur minority, state media reported Tuesday.

A knife-wielding gang attacked a police station and government offices in Shache county early Monday, the official Xinhua news agency said citing local police, and "dozens of Uighur and Han civilians were killed or injured".

No further details in the western media.
 

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Numbers without context are meaningless. So more than 100 churches have been issued demolition notices. How many churches are there in the entire Zhejiang province? 1000? 10,000? A figure of 10% might indicate something, while a figure of 1% would just be a statistical blip.

Second, are there characteristics in the Church-building "industry" that might lend itself to investigation? Are there systematic circumventions of local building codes? Bribing of local officials? We do not know, but these factors can easily skew the statistics.

I think you target the reality of the situation.
100 churches out of the whole of Zhejiang? A small city like Bristol has about 100 Churches and Chapels within in limits itself and Zhejiang is about the size and population of the whole of the UK.
I suspect if the builders had spent less time answering to a higher authority and given that attention instead to planning and building regulations, most of these problems would have been avoided.
 

SamuraiBlue

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I think you target the reality of the situation.
100 churches out of the whole of Zhejiang? A small city like Bristol has about 100 Churches and Chapels within in limits itself and Zhejiang is about the size and population of the whole of the UK.
I suspect if the builders had spent less time answering to a higher authority and given that attention instead to planning and building regulations, most of these problems would have been avoided.

But then mainland china is not Britain. How many Christians are there in Zhejiang?
Rule of thumb is more Christians more churches and visa versa.
 

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Guys, let me say a thing or two on my own (not as a SD moderator at all) about all of this to try and bring us back on topic.

First, I am an avid Christian. I believe in Jesus Christ, that He is the Son of God, that He died for the sins of the world, and taught mankind a way to live in love and peace. To be tolerant of others. To love others, including one's enemies (which BTW does not mean that you accept evil or wrong, but recognize that we are all children of God). To respect others. To not over-react. And to respect all individual's right of free choise and conscience. These are all Christian (and many other religions') precepts.

I also believe I have a duty as a Christian to share this with others. To, "go ye unto all the world."

However teaching others has to be based on the free choice and the respect of those people I mentioned. True christians do not force people to be christians. Trying to fails because it has to come from the heart. Also, if someone says, "Sorry, I do not want to hear your message," IMHO, we should respect that and not badger others.

I say all of this to give perspective and to make an important point.

Christians also live in countries where their ability to "share," is constrained by law.

In such instances, a Christian is faced with a moral dilema. Do they obey what they feel is God's directive to "share," or do they seek to be "good" citizens and obey the law of the land they live in?

At least in this case, the "sharing," is not done at the point of a gun, or with 40lbs of high explosives tied to their body. It is talking, encouraging, and then letting people decide for themselves. Just the same, if that is against the law, then that Christian also has to accept that by disobeying the law, they are then subject to it, and will be held accountable.

I view the issues with these buildings similarly.

If a law is violated, then there is going to be accountability. Sometimes laws will be created to ensure that such beliefs, such desires to share, are stifled. It has been happenig for centuries. It will continue to happen.

We are not going to fix that here on SD. We may report it, we may talk about it...but we are not going to fix it. Only the people and the governments in these places can do that.

So, here on SD, let's try and not get too worked up over it. I know it can be emotional...both for and against. But if we do not avoid that emotional trap, SD will have to moderate, warn, close threads, suspend...etc., etc. you know the routine.

Again, this post itself is not any official SD moderation. Just my own feelings and advise.

Maybe we should just get back to other, less contentious "Breaking World News," like this for example:

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CNN Wolrd News said:
(CNN) -- Patrick Sawyer had one stop to make before heading home to Minnesota to celebrate his daughters' birthdays: a conference in Lagos, Nigeria.

But when he landed in Lagos, Sawyer, 40, collapsed getting off the plane. He had been infected with Ebola in Liberia, where he worked as a top government official in the Liberian Ministry of Finance.

Sawyer was isolated at a local Nigerian hospital on July 20. He died five days later.

Sawyer's wife Decontee Sawyer, lives in Coon Rapids, Minnesota, with the couple's three young daughters, 5-year-old Eva, 4-year-old Mia, and Bella, who is 1. The Sawyers are naturalized citizens; their daughters were born in the United States.

"He was so proud when he became a U.S. citizen," Decontee told CNN.

Sawyer is the first American to die in what health officials are calling the "deadliest Ebola outbreak in history." His death has sparked concerns that the virus could potentially spread to the United States.
 
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The week that ushered in new Cold War

If future historians were to pinpoint the transition when the post-cold war era morphed into the new Cold War, they are bound to take a close look at this week. The Barack Obama administration is in a triumphalist mood after the success, finally, in rallying the US’s major European allies — UK, France, Germany and Italy — behind its concerted strategy to isolate Russia from Europe and impose biting sanctions against it.

Obama could have made a stirring Iron Curtain speech this week — but for the mess-up in Libya, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, et al, and the horrendous massacre in Gaza that has marred his own reputation, and, besides, don’t forget, he’s a Nobel and is not supposed to give a war cry.
All the same, Obama’s video teleconference Monday with his European counterparts signifying the agreement on “coordinated sanctions measures on Russia” suggests beyond doubt that the post-cold war era is ending.
Within the next “12-48 hours” Brussels will be announcing new sanctions against Moscow based on the US blueprint involving a broad package of measures aimed at bringing the Russian economy to its heels. Washington will thereupon announce its own sanctions against Russia.
These so-called Tier Three sanctions are expected to hit Russia’s financial institutions, arms deals and energy exploration technology. The Russian banks will be barred from listing new bond or equity issues on European Exchanges and there will be ban on transfer of sensitive technologies that could be used in deep-sea drilling, arctic exploration and shale oil extraction. The embargo is also expected to include a ban on future arms deals with Russia.
Moscow could anticipate the so-called Tier Three sanctions and has begun circling the wagons. Last Tuesday President Vladimir Putin took a meeting at the Kremlin of Russia’s Security Council, the highest policymaking body on foreign-policy and security issues. Putin made an important speech at the meeting whose agenda was unmistakably to discuss Russia’s strategic options in the new Cold War climate in all areas of national policies — domestic politics, foreign policy, military power and even the ‘information war’.
Putin said: “Our Armed Forces remain the most important guarantor of our sovereignty and Russia’s territorial integrity. We will react appropriately, and proportionately to the approach of NATO’s military infrastructure toward our borders, and we will not fail to notice the expansion of global missile defence systems and increases in the reserves of strategic non-nuclear precision weaponry… we can clearly see what is actually happening: groups of NATO troops are clearly being reinforced in Eastern European states, including in the Black and Baltic Seas. And the scale and intensity of operational and combat training is growing. It is imperative to implement all planned measures to strengthen our nation’s defence capacity fully and on schedule.” (Kremlin website).
This week’s events all but scotch any residual prospects of an accommodation between Washington and Moscow. Equally, Europe’s mediatory role — France and Germany’s in particular — is also petering out. The US estimation is it is in a ‘win-win’ situation, because, as Carnegie scholar Dmity Trenin noted this week, “Even if no pro-Western leader replaces a Putin in the Kremlin… Russia will succumb to another period of turmoil, making it to focus on itself rather than creating problems for Washington.”
Trenin put the scenario starkly: “It is no longer the struggle for Ukraine, but a battle for Russia. If Vladimir Putin manages to keep the Russian people on his side, he will win it. If not, another geopolitical catastrophe might follow.”
Of course, Trenin exaggerates. Putin’s popularity rating is twice that of Obama. The Russian people admire Putin as a patriot and strong leader, whereas Americans increasingly see Obama as a bungler no matter what it is that he fiddles with.
But the real danger lies somewhere else — namely, the international community may have to pay a heavy price for Obama’s bungling in a new Cold War setting. When Iran could not be browbeaten by sanctions, what makes Obama and his European colleagues so confident that a much more powerful country like Russia can be?
Does the combined might of the US and its European allies suffice to reset the world order and isolate Russia, which, by the way, is an avid globalizer, too — unlike the former Soviet Union?
If Europe is not going to buy Russian oil and is going to diversify, what happens to the oil market that also caters to the rest of the world? What happens indeed to Europe’s economic recovery itself if oil price shoots up?
Quite obviously, when Russia sees the NATO and the ABM deployment as an existential challenge, how can it reconcile ever with the establishment of US-NATO military bases in Afghanistan? Again, if Russia is an adversary, why should it cooperate any further with the US (and the West) over Iran, Syria or Iraq?
Where does all this leave the other major countries in the nonWestern quarters of the world — India, Brazil or China? Does the West expect these countries to comply with their Tier Three sanctions regime? What if they don’t?
No, Mr. Trenin, you’re mistaken. This is not really about the regime in Russia; this is about the world order. This is about the Bretton Woods system and the challenge to it that Putin spearheads, as evident at the Fortaleza summit of the BRICS.
This is Obama’s counterattack in a guerilla war, frightened about the growing challenge to the supremacy of the US dollar. The point is, without the seamless freedom to print dollar bills, the American economy is doomed.
The rest of the world understands perfectly well what the new Cold War is all about. Even the Europeans aren’t duffers, they too comprehend what is going on, as their great reluctance to isolate Russia testified all these weeks and months.
Most certainly, there is no ideology involved here. It is not a war on socialism or on terrorism, nor is it a war about Ukraine or Russia intrinsically. In plain terms, the new Cold War is about the perpetuation of the US’ global dominance.
Without the Bretton Woods system, without NATO, without nuclear superiority over Russia, the US faces the prospect of becoming a vastly diminished power over time. Without the trans-Atlantic leadership, it gets reduced to what it used to be before World War I one hundred years ago — an influential regional power in the Western Hemisphere.
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By M K Bhadrakumar – July 29, 2014
Time for Angela Merkel to show she is a stateswoman.
 

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Time for Angela Merkel to show she is a stateswoman.

This is undoubtedly a subject that warrants a thread in itself.

In summary though, the days when these sort of sanctions regimes had bite, meaning the days when Western Capital was the only show in town, are long gone.
These attempts to sanction a major power are most likely to boomerang and hurt the sanctioners more the sanctioned. If Russia cannot sell its bonds or place its IPO's in London or New York, the likely winners will be Hong Kong and Shanghai. The point of course is that the kind of deals that Russia has to offer have real value, just as the Capital it can raise in the Far East, is real Capital and not simply debt supported paper.

On top of this, it is pretty clear that much of Europe has been strong armed into this regime and that most of Euro business is highly opposed. With access still through major emerging financial markets and the ability to operate through all manner of third parties and proxies, I suspect that such sanctions; entered into under such duress, will be honoured largely in the breach, as indeed is the usual manner for EU countries to honour the EU's own regulations etc.

The losers are most likely to be the established Financial Centers of the West. Real money wants real opportunity and if it cannot get it in London, Frankfurt of the US, it will relocate to where it can. Once of course you have your primary investment business in a new location, its only a matter of time, before it looks to transfer secondary and tertiary activities across as well.

In short, if the flight of Capital has been West to East in recent years, that flight is only likely to increase the faster as a result of the ongoing Crisis with relations with Russia.
 

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Guys, let me say a thing or two on my own (not as a SD moderator at all) about all of this to try and bring us back on topic.

Fisrt, I am an avid Christian. I believe in Jesus Christ, that He is the Son of God, that He died for the sins of thew world, and taught mankind a way to live in love and peace. To be tolerant of others. To love others, including one's my enemies (which BTW does not mean that you accept evil or wrong, just recognize that we are all children of God). To respect others. To not over-react. And to respect all individual's right of free choise and conscience. These are all Christian (and many other religions') precepts.

I also believe I have a duty as a Christian to share this with others. To, "go ye unto all the world."

However teaching others has to be based on the free choice and the respect of those people I mentioned. True Christians do not force people to be christians. Trying to fails because it has to come from the heart. Also, if someone says, "Sorry, I do not want to hear your message," IMHO, we should respect that and not badger others.

Amen!

Romans 1:16New Living Translation (NLT)

16 For I am not ashamed of this Good News about Christ. It is the power of God at work, saving everyone who believes—the Jew first and also the Gentile.

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Back to more news. and lets stick the news!....my condolences to the to the families of the victims.

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A major landslide on Wednesday struck a village in western India following heavy monsoon rains, killing at least five people and leaving up to 150 feared trapped, officials said.

Emergency forces rushed to remote Malin village in the Pune district of Maharashtra state, where debris from a hill collapsed onto homes in the morning while residents were sleeping.

"Five bodies have been recovered and 125 to 150 are still trapped," Satish Lalit, a spokesman for the Maharashtra chief minister's office, told AFP.

Alok Avasthy, regional commandant at the National Disaster Response Force (NDRF), also said up to 150 were feared trapped by the landslide, which damaged about 50 houses.

He said that it was difficult to confirm casualties as the village has been cut off from communications. Rains were also hampering rescue operations.

Indian television station CNN-IBN said as well as five people killed in the landslide, another five have been rescued.

Television footage showed the side of a hill shaved off, with large amounts of mud, muddy water and logs piled below.

Heavy machinery has been mobilised to try to rescue those feared trapped, while about 30 ambulances rushed to the scene, local government official Saurav Rao told the Press Trust of India news agency.

"Exact number of casualties is not known as we are moving slowly to ensure that those trapped are removed safely," Rao said.

Divisional Commissioner Prabhakar Deshmukh said the rescue operation was a challenge with the area 15-20 kilometres from the nearest medical facility, but he said it should speed up once the NDRF teams arrive.
 

Jeff Head

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I believe this Ebola outbreak is potentially very serious.

I posted the news about the American who died for one reason.

He was coming back to America and had changed planes from one African location to another when he collapsed.

Ebola is highly contagious. It is 90% fatal with no cure. Everyone on that plane he was near is a potential carrier now. They went on their way to who knows where...and everyone they were near became a potential carrier.

I pray that they contain this, but I fear the cat may already be out of the bag.

I heard yesterday that one of the lead Doctors there in Africa trying to contain and treat it, himself died yesterday of the disease.

Keep an eye on this.
 
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