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delft

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Don't expect Germany to be forceful on Russia after this.

Spying on foreign lawmakers creates the biggest backlash since political elites are a lot more sensitive to their own privacy than to the privacy of the general public.

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The last paragraph from the BBC site (
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The committee co-chair, Social Democrat MP Christian Flisek, said if the suspicion of a targeted attack on a German constitutional body was confirmed "that would set the level of trust back to zero and result in political consequences," the Wall Street Journal reported.
As an economically and militarily strong country surrounded by friendly countries Germany can afford to take a strong line in this matter.
 
Don't expect Germany to be forceful on Russia after this.

Spying on foreign lawmakers creates the biggest backlash since political elites are a lot more sensitive to their own privacy than to the privacy of the general public.

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"Voluntary" eh? "For the US" eh?

I smell the word BS for what this agent is admitting to, although I'm not sure if he truly is working for the US or actually an agent from another organization trying to frame the US.
 

texx1

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So much has lost in name of protecting ordinary people from terrorists.

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Ordinary Internet users, American and non-American alike, far outnumber legally targeted foreigners in the communications intercepted by the National Security Agency from U.S. digital networks, according to a four-month investigation by The Washington Post.

Nine of 10 account holders found in a large cache of intercepted conversations, which former NSA contractor Edward Snowden provided in full to The Post, were not the intended surveillance targets but were caught in a net the agency had cast for somebody else.

Many of them were Americans. Nearly half of the surveillance files, a strikingly high proportion, contained names, e-mail addresses or other details that the NSA marked as belonging to U.S. citizens or residents. NSA analysts masked, or “minimized,” more than 65,000 such references to protect Americans’ privacy, but The Post found nearly 900 additional e-mail addresses, unmasked in the files, that could be strongly linked to U.S. citizens or U.S.residents.

The surveillance files highlight a policy dilemma that has been aired only abstractly in public. There are discoveries of considerable intelligence value in the intercepted messages — and collateral harm to privacy on a scale that the Obama administration has not been willing to address.

Among the most valuable contents — which The Post will not describe in detail, to avoid interfering with ongoing operations — are fresh revelations about a secret overseas nuclear project, double-dealing by an ostensible ally, a military calamity that befell an unfriendly power, and the identities of aggressive intruders into U.S. computer networks.

Months of tracking communications across more than 50 alias accounts, the files show, led directly to the 2011 capture in Abbottabad of Muhammad Tahir Shahzad, a Pakistan-based bomb builder, and Umar Patek, a suspect in a 2002 terrorist bombing on the Indonesian island of Bali. At the request of CIA officials, The Post is withholding other examples that officials said would compromise ongoing operations.

Many other files, described as useless by the analysts but nonetheless retained, have a startlingly intimate, even voyeuristic quality. They tell stories of love and heartbreak, illicit sexual liaisons, mental-health crises, political and religious conversions, financial anxieties and disappointed hopes. The daily lives of more than 10,000 account holders who were not targeted are catalogued and recorded nevertheless.....

When NSA and allied analysts really want to target an account, their concern for U.S. privacy diminishes. The rationales they use to judge foreignness sometimes stretch legal rules or well-known technical facts to the breaking point.

In their classified internal communications, colleagues and supervisors often remind the analysts that PRISM and Upstream collection have a “lower threshold for foreignness ‘standard of proof’ ” than a traditional surveillance warrant from a FISA judge, requiring only a “reasonable belief” and not probable cause.

One analyst rests her claim that a target is foreign on the fact that his e-mails are written in a foreign language, a quality shared by tens of millions of Americans. Others are allowed to presume that anyone on the chat “buddy list” of a known foreign national is also foreign.


In many other cases, analysts seek and obtain approval to treat an account as “foreign” if someone connects to it from a computer address that seems to be overseas. “The best foreignness explanations have the selector being accessed via a foreign IP address,” an NSA supervisor instructs an allied analyst in Australia.

Apart from the fact that tens of millions of Americans live and travel overseas, additional millions use simple tools called proxies to redirect their data traffic around the world, for business or pleasure. World Cup fans this month have been using a browser extension called Hola to watch live-streamed games that are unavailable from their own countries. The same trick is routinely used by Americans who want to watch BBC video. The NSA also relies routinely on locations embedded in Yahoo tracking cookies, which are widely regarded by online advertisers as unreliable.

In an ordinary FISA surveillance application, the judge grants a warrant and requires a fresh review of probable cause — and the content of collected surveillance — every 90 days. When renewal fails, NSA and allied analysts sometimes switch to the more lenient standards of PRISM and Upstream.

“These selectors were previously under FISA warrant but the warrants have expired,” one analyst writes, requesting that surveillance resume under the looser standards of Section 702. The request was granted....

And just in case, I love NSA, you guys are doing a great job.:)
 

texx1

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"Voluntary" eh? "For the US" eh?

I smell the word BS for what this agent is admitting to, although I'm not sure if he truly is working for the US or actually an agent from another organization trying to frame the US.

Berlin also thought this's BS so instead of dismissing it, they demanded US ambassador to explain the spying allegation.

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broadsword

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Some years ago, my father went to Thailand for a holiday, and when he came back, he told us he witnessed an elephant cried when its carer recounted the life of suffering it went through in its lifetime. My father is not a melodramatic person, so I believe him. Be kind to animals.

Incredible sight of the elephant that cried: Raju was held in chains, beaten and abused for fifty years and on the day he was released tears rolled down his face

Raju was held in chains for more than 50 years after being poached in India
The animal bled from spiked shackles and lived on hand-outs from tourists
Team from North London charity Wildlife SOS travelled to India to free animal
Raju cried tears of joy after being freed from suffering on American Independence Day
Five-and-a-half tonne animal driven 350 miles away to safe conservation area

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delft

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I just listened to the Berlin correspondent of my favorite radio station. He said that Bundeskanzlerin Merkel, on her yearly visit to China, has said that the spying matter is "serious". She delayed saying anything waiting for Washington to apologize but that didn't happen. She won't say more because she will have to drink tea with Obama again, but her chief of the intelligence services said that to his services the US need to be considered an enemy.

Strong language.
 

bd popeye

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I just listened to the Berlin correspondent of my favorite radio station. He said that Bundeskanzlerin Merkel, on her yearly visit to China, has said that the spying matter is "serious". She delayed saying anything waiting for Washington to apologize but that didn't happen. She won't say more because she will have to drink tea with Obama again, but her chief of the intelligence services said that to his services the US need to be considered an enemy.

Strong language.

Strong language indeed.. This is what I could find..

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MOSCOW, July 7 (RIA Novosti) - Allegations of a German intelligent officer selling top secret data to the US are serious, German Chancellor Angela Merkel told reporters Monday.

"If the reports are correct, it would be a serious case," Merkel said at a press conference in Beijing.

The day before, German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier said that prompt clarification of the details in the double agent case were in the US’s own interest.

Interior Minister Thomas de Maiziere also called on the US to make quick and clear statement clearing up the "very serious" accusations, according to Bild newspaper.

On Thursday, German authorities arrested a Federal Intelligence Service (BND) agent, who allegedly sold at least 300 top secret documents from the BND's computer system to the United States.

German’s Federal Foreign Office summoned the US ambassador to Berlin to swiftly "clarify" the case.

The arrest came a year after the leaked documents revealed that US National Security Agency was monitoring Germans’ electronic data, including Chancellor Angela Merkel’s cellphone.
 
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