World News & Breaking News II

shen said:

I never wrote the US government release these terrorist to attack China. You read it that way for some reason.

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Don't misdirect. Your exacts words in post #310 is as follows:

Remember this, America release dozens of Xinjiang terrorists caught training in Afganistan. The official reason given is, and I kid you not, they were only training to attack China not the US.

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What "official" reason are you talking about? Which US officials said it? What media reported it? I asked you to link that source and you haven't done so.

Since these terrorists are Chinese citizens, illegally in a foreign country to conduct terrorist training, even if they are not deemed a direct threat to the US and cannot be legally held in the US, the properly thing to do under international laws would be to deport them to China, not extradite, DEPORT.

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Deport, yes. To China, no. No country is compelled by international law to forcibly repatriate persons to countries where they might face persecution. Some country have done it, but international law doesn't require it. On the other hand, if China offers enough for the transfer, then I hope US leaders would seriously consider it.

But no, can't trust the Chinese not to torture them, but it is okay for us to waterboard them. Hypocrisy Hypocrisy Hypocrisy!

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Yes, it's hypocritical, and I'd rather get critical information through bribes, blackmail, threats of judicial punishment, or cooperation for new ID and immunity from prosecution, but if we're left with no other choice but torture as the tool to protect America or American interests, then I'm for it, in controlled measures.

plawolf said:

I mean, what other possible explanation is there for that inescapable fact? That Americans are just that much more homicidal than every other people in the world?

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Ahem....sorry plawolf, ever been to Mexico lately? No offense to any Latinos or Mexicans out there.


I believe that what "JayFalsum" was trying to point out that there is a bias media who tends to report more bad gun news than there are on good gun story news in the US.

Blackstone said:

Don't misdirect. Your exacts words in post #310 is as follows:


What "official" reason are you talking about? Which US officials said it? What media reported it? I asked you to link that source and you haven't done so.


Deport, yes. To China, no. No country is compelled by international law to forcibly repatriate persons to countries where they might face persecution. Some country have done it, but international law doesn't require it. On the other hand, if China offers enough for the transfer, then I hope US leaders would seriously consider it.


Yes, it's hypocritical, and I'd rather get critical information through bribes, blackmail, threats of judicial punishment, or cooperation for new ID and immunity from prosecution, but if we're left with no other choice but torture as the tool to protect America or American interests, then I'm for it, in controlled measures.

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So American torture good, Chinese torture bad.

Yeah, not hypocritical at all.

Equation said:

Ahem....sorry plawolf, ever been to Mexico lately? No offense to any Latinos or Mexicans out there.


I believe that what "JayFalsum" was trying to point out that there is a bias media who tends to report more bad gun news than there are on good gun story news in the US.

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Where does all the Mexican drug cartel guns come from mano?

As for the 'skewed' media coverage, well I'm just going to take a wild swing and suggest there just isn't anywhere near as many 'good' gun stories as there are bad gun stories, hence their 'unbalanced' reporting in the media.

Given how partisan American news networks are these days, I have no doubt the likes of Fox would be going story for story with the likes of CNN if there were enough good gun stories for them to run to counter all that liberal propaganda.

plawolf said:

So American torture good, Chinese torture bad.

Yeah, not hypocritical at all.

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You don't know what you're talking about.

Blackstone said:

You don't know what you're talking about.

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You just said you saw US to torture as a valid strategy to protect American interests if the situation called for it.

Would you agree that it is just as okay for China to use torture as a strategy to protect Chinese interests if the situation called for it?

Blackstone said:

You don't know what you're talking about.

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Interesting you would think that since all I did was paraphrase what you just said.

Bltizo said:

You just said you saw US to torture as a valid strategy to protect American interests if the situation called for it.

Would you agree that it is just as okay for China to use torture as a strategy to protect Chinese interests if the situation called for it?

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But of course. I subscribe to Realpolitik and on balance take more of an amoral approach to national interests. I think people in general should act on legal, moral, and ethical principles, but nations should act on national interests. Paraphrasing Lord Palmerston, nations have no permanent friends or allies (or morals), they only have permanent interests.

plawolf said:

Interesting you would think that since all I did was paraphrase what you just said.

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Read it again. I made no references to US/China torture vis-a-vis good/bad.

Well, I thought you are better than this Blackstone. I gave you the benefit of doubt that you may have misunderstood what I wrote. Turns out you are just playing word game. I have nothing further to say to you about this matter.

Blackstone said:

Don't misdirect. Your exacts words in post #310 is as follows:


What "official" reason are you talking about? Which US officials said it? What media reported it? I asked you to link that source and you haven't done so.


Deport, yes. To China, no. No country is compelled by international law to forcibly repatriate persons to countries where they might face persecution. Some country have done it, but international law doesn't require it. On the other hand, if China offers enough for the transfer, then I hope US leaders would seriously consider it.


Yes, it's hypocritical, and I'd rather get critical information through bribes, blackmail, threats of judicial punishment, or cooperation for new ID and immunity from prosecution, but if we're left with no other choice but torture as the tool to protect America or American interests, then I'm for it, in controlled measures.

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