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The civilized world is finally waking up to the global Islamist threat and doing something about it. China better get off its ass and contribute to the cause, the greatest long-term beneficiaries may be well being of its own citizens.

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(CNN) -- Not weeks. Not months. Years.

That's how long nations entering the fight against ISIS may need to be prepared to spend on the battle, British and U.S. officials say.

British Prime Minister David Cameron told Parliament Friday of the likely length of the mission ahead of what turned out to be an overwhelming vote to send UK air power into the fight.

But, he said, what choice does the country have when faced with a well-funded, highly organized force known for virtually unmatched cruelty?

"Beheadings, crucifixions, the gouging out of eyes, the use of rape as a weapon, the slaughter of children. All these things belong to the Dark Ages," Cameron told British lawmakers.

"Left unchecked, we will face a terrorist caliphate on the shores of the Mediterranean and bordering a NATO member, with a declared and proven determination to attack our country and our people," he said.

The same message came from the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff in Washington: "This is going to be a persistent and sustained campaign, and it will take time," Gen. Martin Dempsey said Friday at a Pentagon briefing.

Coalition grows

In addition to Great Britain, Belgium and Denmark also agreed Friday to join the list of more than 50 countries that have agreed to support the fight against ISIS.

White House spokesman Josh Earnest said Belgium will send fighter jets. Denmark also will send seven F-16 fighter jets, a spokeswoman for that country's Defense Ministry said.

On Friday, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov also offered to support Iraq in fighting terrorists, "above all the Islamic State."

Earnest said Friday that the U.S. is "pleased with the pace of this coalition's growth."

The new support came amid fresh battles between Kurdish Syrian fighters and ISIS militants near a city on the border with Turkey.

CNN's Phil Black, watching the fighting from a hillside in Turkey, reported hearing small arms and artillery fire as the Kurdish and ISIS forces fought to advance toward the Syrian city of Ayn al-Arab.

Turkish Kurds gathered near the border to watch the fighting cheered whenever ISIS fighters appeared to take a hit.

A resident of the city, also known as Kobani, told CNN that ISIS forces are 2 kilometers (1.24 miles) from the city and that resistance forces are running low on ammunition.

"We are hoping and waiting for any coalition air strike on these terrorists, to save our city from the barbaric attack," Hussein Kamal told CNN.

Coalition air power was not evident in the region, but earlier in the day, the United States did turn its air power on more ISIS targets, taking out vehicles in other parts of Syria and Iraq and destroying a command node and a checkpoint.

Why it will take so long

The strikes are having some effect, experts say.

In the briefing at the Pentagon Friday, Dempsey said the airstrikes are disrupting ISIS command and control activities and logistics in Syria while helping friendly ground forces begin to take back ground lost to the group.

CNN military analyst James Reese, a retired U.S. Army special operations officer, said the strikes have helped "blunt the momentum of ISIS in Iraq," said Airstrikes also have disrupted ISIS safe havens on the ground, such as the northern town of Raqqa, Reese said.

Kurdish Peshmerga fighters helped drive the extremists back and secure positions on the ground. Strikes have since targeted ISIS throughout the swaths it holds, and the combined efforts have stopped ISIS from swarming over Baghdad.

But the group's command structure is adapting to the attacks, said CNN military analyst Peter Mansoor, a retired U.S. Army colonel. It is spreading out, and its leaders are now "mixed in with the civilian population," he said.

"So, it's unlikely these airstrikes have crippled ISIS," he said.

And that's why the battle will take so long, Cameron said. Western infantries will not likely be the ones to gun down ISIS fighters.

While Dempsey said Friday that he will recommend to President Barack Obama "what it takes to destroy ISIL," he said the best mix of ground forces to defeat the extremist groups will be drawn from Iraqis, Kurds and moderate Syrian rebels.

But in Syria, the marshaling of an effective ground partner against ISIS terrorists -- who have a victorious track record there -- has only begun.

There has been no coordination, "nor will there be," between the United States and the regime of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad regarding U.S. airstrikes against ISIS in Syria, U.S. Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel said Friday. The United States hasn't shifted its approach to al-Assad, who has "lost all legitimacy to govern," Hagel said.

In Iraq, that country's military has been plagued by debacles.

Over the weekend, ISIS overran the Iraqi Saqlawiya military base just west of Falluja, killing at least 113 troops, according to Iraqi officials. The fate of 78 others is unknown.

ISIS claimed to have killed nearly 300 Iraqi troops in the onslaught. It also reported destroying 65 Iraqi military vehicles, including 41 Humvees, and seizing 37 others.

Surviving Iraqi soldiers said their pleas for backup went unanswered by military commanders for hours. They were left stranded, they said in an online video.

Iraqi officials said they had tried to support them but failed.

"There is no leadership in the Iraqi army right now," said retired U.S. Air Force Lt. Col. Rick Francona. "The people who are paying the price are the soldiers in the trenches."

Iraqi soldiers have been known before to abandon their weapons and run, giving ISIS an opportunity to collect them, Reese said.

ISIS is aggressive and dedicated

ISIS has a decided advantage over Iraqi troops, said Bill Roggio, the editor of the Long War Journal, which provides information and analysis on global terrorism and efforts to combat it.

"It's a level of commitment the Iraqi forces don't display," he said. "You can't coach aggressiveness."

"ISIS has managed to defeat Iraqi troops, Syrian troops, other anti-government fighters in Syria, and they've done it all at the same time."

The group is also good at recruiting, motivating young men and women around the world to join them -- including hundreds from the United States and Europe. It has also called on "lone wolf" actors to carry out terror strikes in the West.

Spanish and Moroccan police arrested nine men accused of sending foreign fighters to join ISIS, the Spanish Interior Ministry said Friday. A Spanish citizen headed up the cell, and his brother, a former Spanish soldier, is currently fighting with ISIS, the ministry said.

Analysts Reese and Francona agree that to make Iraq's army more effective, U.S. special operations would have to replace its command structure, which is melting away.

"The problem with that is, that is the definition of boots on the ground," Francona said, something President Barack Obama has promised wouldn't happen.
 

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A truely bizarre article. IS is well funded because it is funded by Saudi Arabia and other Gulf countries. It is near Turkey because it is, or was until a few days ago, supported by Turkey.
According to Hagel al-Assad has "lost all legitimacy to govern", even if most of the Syrians support him and it is extremely difficult to make a case for Free Syrian Army with much more support within the Beltway than in Syria.

Perhaps China should offer to help defend Syria against attacks by the terrorirsts and their sponsors.
 

delft

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I just found on the website of my favorite radio station an item that says that General Martin Dempsey has said in Washington that the pro-Western opposition would need 12000 to 15000 men to reconquer the Eastern part of Syria on IS.

The item ends with the remark that the pro-Western opposition is virtually defunct.

Btw if US was not able to train the Iraqi army of hundreds of thousands of men for years to stand up to IS, how much time would they need to train those 12000 to 15000 to be able to do so?
 

Blackstone

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A truely bizarre article. IS is well funded because it is funded by Saudi Arabia and other Gulf countries. It is near Turkey because it is, or was until a few days ago, supported by Turkey.
According to Hagel al-Assad has "lost all legitimacy to govern", even if most of the Syrians support him and it is extremely difficult to make a case for Free Syrian Army with much more support within the Beltway than in Syria.
It's difficult to believe Turkey and Saudi Arabia funded ISIS/ISIL, since they're also the targets of the Islamist group.

Assad is supported by Iran, so it isn't in America's interests to see him succeed. As for the so-called "Free Syrian Army," there are extremists in it too, so it isn't in the civilized world's interests to see them take power. What a frigging mess!

Perhaps China should offer to help defend Syria against attacks by the terrorirsts and their sponsors.

If China's looking for a fight, it should consider going directly against ISIS/ISIL, since there are Chinese citizens in the group and would eventually return to China to commit murder and mayhem.
 

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The civilized world is finally waking up to the global Islamist threat and doing something about it. China better get off its ass and contribute to the cause, the greatest long-term beneficiaries may be well being of its own citizens.

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You mean the Chinese Taipei army is not going to help out their US ally?
 

Blackstone

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You mean the Chinese Taipei army is not going to help out their US ally?

Doubtful. Taiwan Province's military is defensive and has little power projection capabilities. In any case, it probably wouldn't send troops abroad without the nod from Mainland, because it's too provocative and Taipei doesn't need that kind of problems. I also believe even if Taiwan offered to send troops in defiance of Mainland, US would pass on it for the same reason it's too provocative to Beijing. Humanitarian and medical assistance may be acceptable by all sides. Maybe.
 

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CHICAGO (CBS) – Several after an apparently disgruntled contract worker set a fire at a Federal Aviation Administration radar center in Aurora, the facility was still considered a crime scene Friday afternoon, and limited flights were operating at O’Hare and Midway airports.

The damage to the Chicago Air Route Traffic Control Center in Aurora created a ripple effect across the nation’s air traffic system, forcing many flights to be cancelled or delayed outside the Chicago region.

Some flights in and out of O’Hare and Midway airports resumed operations “at a reduced rate” late Friday morning, but only a small fraction of the airports’ normal flight load.

Aurora Police Chief Greg Thomas said investigators believe a 36-year-old contract employee for the FAA lit several fires inside the basement telecommunications room of the FAA Chicago Air Route Traffic Control Center in Aurora. He suffered burns on his body, and self-inflicted stab wounds on his arms. He was being treated at an Aurora hospital.

The FBI, FAA, ATF, and Aurora police and fire officials were conducting a joint investigation. The FBI later announced that Brian Howard of Naperville had been charged in connection with the fire and air-traffic disruption.

By Friday evening, airlines had canceled nearly 1,550 flights today at O’Hare. Flights that were still scheduled were being delayed by as much as three hours, the city’s Aviation Department said.

At Midway, airlines canceled more than 470 flights. Southwest Airlines has suspended all flights for the day.

ATF spokesman Tom Ahern said the man, a Naperville resident, was authorized to be in the telecommunications room, but Ahern did not know what the employee’s job responsibilities were. No guns or explosives were found at the scene, according to Thomas. Authorities also could be seen removing a dark blue or black SUV from the facility late Friday morning.

“We don’t know what his motive was at this point,” Ahern said.

A second employee, a 50-year-old man, suffered smoke inhalation from the fire, and was treated at the scene.

Thomas said there was no evidence of a terrorist act, and it appeared to be an isolated incident.

“There is no reason to believe anyone else was involved at this time,” he said.

CBS 2’s Jay Levine reports the damage to the computers that control the facility’s radar and communications systems is extensive, and could keep the building out of commission for days.
Thomas said police and fire crews responded to a fire at the facility at about 5:45 a.m. The fire was quickly extinguished, but the fire forced officials to evacuate the radar facility.

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Fights scheduled at O'Hare International and Midway airports continue to have cancellations this morning, but both airports appear to be on a rebound from Friday's air-traffic system shut down.

As of 7:35 a.m., the Chicago Department of Aviation reported more than 500 flights have been canceled at O'Hare and about a dozen flights have been canceled at Midway. Friday evening, about 2,000 flights had been canceled bringing both airports to a standstill.

Earlier Friday, a gasoline fire believed to be caused by a disgruntled technician at a federal aviation facility in Aurora forced airlines to switch communications to insure safety in the skies.

Federal authorities charged Brian Howard, 36, of Naperville, with destruction of aircraft or aircraft facilities for setting the fire that shutdown one of the nation's busiest air traffic control centers.

As of 8:10 a.m., more than 600 flights were canceled at O'Hare and 20 flights are reported canceled at Midway. Both airports were expecting delays throughout the day, according to Flightstats, a website that monitors flights.

Officials at the CDA asks those who are traveling through Chicago's airports and those picking up passengers, to check their airline's website to confirm flight status before heading out.
 

Equation

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Doubtful. Taiwan Province's military is defensive and has little power projection capabilities. In any case, it probably wouldn't send troops abroad without the nod from Mainland, because it's too provocative and Taipei doesn't need that kind of problems. I also believe even if Taiwan offered to send troops in defiance of Mainland, US would pass on it for the same reason it's too provocative to Beijing. Humanitarian and medical assistance may be acceptable by all sides. Maybe.

They have F-16s to help support with the air strikes.
 

delft

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It's difficult to believe Turkey and Saudi Arabia funded ISIS/ISIL, since they're also the targets of the Islamist group.

Assad is supported by Iran, so it isn't in America's interests to see him succeed. As for the so-called "Free Syrian Army," there are extremists in it too, so it isn't in the civilized world's interests to see them take power. What a frigging mess!



If China's looking for a fight, it should consider going directly against ISIS/ISIL, since there are Chinese citizens in the group and would eventually return to China to commit murder and mayhem.
This is called blowback. 911 was made possible by US helping with Saudi Arabia to sponsor terrorism in Afghanistan. Sponsoring outfits like the Free Syrian Army only creates more chaos. It is the contention of people like Pepe Escobar that that is the purpose of the excersise.

China will not want to incite others to come to cause mayhem in Xinjiang and prefer to defend itself at home.
 

Blackstone

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This is called blowback. 911 was made possible by US helping with Saudi Arabia to sponsor terrorism in Afghanistan.
The problem with your 911 "blow back" is UBL hated the Saudis and they were mortal enemies. There's no way Saudi Arabia sponsored UBL that lead to 911.

Sponsoring outfits like the Free Syrian Army only creates more chaos.
We agree on the notion it's a mistake to sponsor the so-called "Free Syrian Army." There are way too many factions in that organization, and I'm pretty sure training and weapons the West gives them will boomerang someday.

It is the contention of people like Pepe Escobar that that is the purpose of the excersise.
Humm... not sure what you're trying to say. You meant Pablo Escobar, right? Pepe (Los Pepes?) was an extra judicial group of Colombian National Police, formed to attack Escobar's logistics and support.

China will not want to incite others to come to cause mayhem in Xinjiang and prefer to defend itself at home.
China is beginning to send forces abroad, because she has more and more interests and investments all over the planet. Going forward, that will only increase and not decrease, and we'll see Chinese business people, troops, intelligence agencies, and shadowy Foreign Ministry operatives in all the important parts of the world.
 
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