World Cup 2010 Thread!!!

bladerunner

Banned Idiot
I think football would be made a lot better if they did a few things:
-Did away with ties.
-Changed the offsides rules significantly to make it easier to score
-Allowed substitutions at any time, and going in and out at will
-Stopped the clock when the ball was not in play
-Shortened the field by like 10-15%

I think those rules would make it a LOT more exciting and fun and cut down on some of the "owwww I'm hurrrttt" business.


The referree stops his watch for injury.

making the field smaller will just result in more clutter/ hence mistakes / leading to stopping and starting.

I dont think making substitutions at will, will add anything to the game, if anything the team will most likely become dissjointed, thus making mistakes/ hence stoppages.

Games that end in draws can be anti climax but I think a shootout is unfair, because its a team game, a shootout involves only a few team members.

Far better for say 20mins extra time, which includes count backs. That is if no direct goals are scored, then the match is decided on shots on goal where the goal keeper is forced to make a genuine save, this can be achieved through slo mo video capture with the shots on goal. If that doesnt give us the desired result then we have a countback on corners taken.

THe ref can determine faking and play on
 
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SampanViking

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I was very unimpressed by England. Here we have some of the highest pid players in the game all of whom play in one of worlds biggest leagues (UK Premier), playing a team that (all due respects) are still a minor footballing nations.

England should have won and by a healthy margin, instead that faffed about, should a much ball control as my gran after several sherries and usually managed to pass the ball to the other side. None of them seem to know how to run with the ball or tackle thus demonstrating the superior skills that justify they huge pay packets.

It does not bode well and makes an English World Cup victory look a very long bet tonight.
 

ravenshield936

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Well my proposed rule changes are designed to create more exciting moments and more scoring opportunities because personally thats what I think is fun to watch and play. And as far as substituting goes, I can see how a star like Crouch coming off the bench creates an air of excitement in the stadium. But I think allowing substitutions would make so it players don't have to fake injury to catch their breath, which is something that annoys me.

Faking injuries is part of the "snerky stuff" in teh game. everyone attempts to fake not cuz they can catch a breath, but cuz with succession, they can have a lot to reap. a recognized foul can lead to change of ball possession, and if within penalty area, it's a penalty kick that may be rewarded. all that is sufficient to change the tide of the game, because 1 goal can simply be enough to win a game. and to have a chance to score, of course u must have ball possession. this is especially true with higher ranking teams, where goals don't come by often if both teams are relatively high on the board, such as big teams like MU, arsenal, RM, LP,IM,ACM,barcelona. a reason can be because both sides are big fish, so they are roughly around the same level, therefore they may have to fight harder to get that one goal. this is why when a goal is scored, the scoring team usually is very happy. thats why you see the player who scored usually react crazily, from running around with arms stretched to even some of them performing somersaults and flips and dances. the crowd also goes crazy, from drums and beats to anthems. bigger fish against smaller ones usually end with a very one-sided victory, such as brazil vs china with a 5-0 back in 2002.
if you relate to canada vs USA in winter olympics 2010, that's kinda the similar thing you're looking at. both teams don't get that much goals, but when they do, it means a lot.
1-0 is usually a lead, and the winner will want to secure a 2-0 for a safer win, as for the loser, catching up in 2 goals is extremely hard. of course, the loser wants to tie up at 1-1 asap as the longer it takes, the more dangerous things get.

also another thing in soccer will be formations and morale. morale affects a lot. calling fouls to stop the momentum of the game not only affects the crowd, but also the playing teams, depending who's momentum got stopped. this is why fouls in soccer is very useful and political. yellow cards can affect the team if a lot of players in your team gets them, as the second one leads to a red. of course, sometimes red cards are issued instantly if the foul or violation was serious. therefore even when the foul can be exciting if you're cheering for a specific team passionately because you'd wish to see yellow for your opponent, or preferably, red. of course you dont want the same to happen to your team as it can affect the players a lot on the field. also, players' EQ is very important. last year, zidane got sent out in the final 10 mins and that might have potentially destroyed france's victory since he's like the french version of maradonna(a soccer legend). rooney also got sent out for bad temper. for that reason, today's game, he kept his cool even when he was dissatisfied with the ref's decision to not reward a foul to the player who tripped him. he must've learned it hard from '06 when england vs portugal and he got sent out with a red. (england lost to portugal that game since beckham, owen, and rooney himself were gone) at both instances, these red cards are extremely influencing, and carry even more damage to the team if the player sent out was a star player, such as zidane (france lost a lot of momentum with their captain and soccer legend off the field), and rooney(one of the top stars in england, and also for that, england lost a lot of its morale after rooney was out)

even if it weren't for the cards, simple ball possession can path a good path to victories, as ball possession means which side has the advantage. also generally, aside from what i've mentioned, one can look at which side the game was played on mostly to determine the condition and strength of the teams of that game. as we know from last game, england maintained most of the ball possession and the game was mostly in US 's field in the second half, denoting who has the control, advantage, and momentum. however, after the switch, morale for the US built up and the game started to shift into england's field. at that point, couch was subbed in to help not only to regain the balance, but also to tip the favor for england by having rooney, couch, lampard, and gerrard in the field.

as you can tell, that's why substitution is very important and even the usage of it is very strategic. there are limited amounts of substitution, and who gets subbed wasn't merely to change players or for fun, but a boost of morale and tactics. some top players don't enter until later for the purpose of the tactic and the position they represent and their strength. if mekele of france was subbed in for henry, that means they're going from defensive to more offensive, as mekele is excellent defenseplayer and henry is striker. (however usually henry, ribery, zidane are on the field to maintain teh balance of the team as they represent offensive)
so therefore, if you pay attention, soccer can be a very interesting game.
 
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ravenshield936

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I was very unimpressed by England. Here we have some of the highest pid players in the game all of whom play in one of worlds biggest leagues (UK Premier), playing a team that (all due respects) are still a minor footballing nations.

England should have won and by a healthy margin, instead that faffed about, should a much ball control as my gran after several sherries and usually managed to pass the ball to the other side. None of them seem to know how to run with the ball or tackle thus demonstrating the superior skills that justify they huge pay packets.

It does not bode well and makes an English World Cup victory look a very long bet tonight.

it's extremely hard to count on england these days. they are too inconsistent, and with beckham off(though he's never really THAT good for stuff other than penalties and some stuff), they're even worse.

i only find england fun to watch when vsing other big teams, but wt i wana c the most will be battle of britain and the falklandsXD
 

ravenshield936

Banned Idiot
The referree stops his watch for injury.

making the field smaller will just result in more clutter/ hence mistakes / leading to stopping and starting.

I dont think making substitutions at will, will add anything to the game, if anything the team will most likely become dissjointed, thus making mistakes/ hence stoppages.

Games that end in draws can be anti climax but I think a shootout is unfair, because its a team game, a shootout involves only a few team members.

Far better for say 20mins extra time, which includes count backs. That is if no direct goals are scored, then the match is decided on shots on goal where the goal keeper is forced to make a genuine save, this can be achieved through slo mo video capture with the shots on goal. If that doesnt give us the desired result then we have a countback on corners taken.

THe ref can determine faking and play on

agreed. i find the excitement with this size. u can watch them run. too small is kinda boring. also the size of the field makes it more distinct for us to see the formation, who's in charge of where, and of course, a game like soccer requires a ground this size, since they need a lot of room for movement. too small of a ground = easy to overshoot.

i also agree, that soccer is team-oriented sport, therefore shootouts arent that fun. soccer is a macro-level game. it doesnt represent the strengths or wt the team stands for, as usually in these games, it's how they fare as a team that counts more than individual abilities. (that's why c ron, for all his abilities, is shunned by many for his incooperative and arrogant behavior. in contrast, people love brazil cuz it's not just one player that's good, but the entire team. in contrast, italy is recognized for its gd defense become of its formation, which again, also is a teamwork thing)
goals are also often scored with assists, such as passing forward to another player to slip the goal in. it's hard to elude tacklers unless you're very pro, and usually if you're recognized for being good, a common tactic is mutliple tackling one person, which makes eluding even more difficult. that happened a lot with rooney today. legends like zidane and mardonna can elude multiple. maradona with a record of eluding 6 players if i remember correctly
btw i'll reply 2 u sometime these 2 weeks
 
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pla101prc

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Messi misses all his chances. Argentina beat Nigeria 1-0.

Anyone knows why the background noises at the stadium is so damn noisy. Sounds like there's a airport just nearby.

but messi was certainly in good shape creating chances and exploiting them to create scoring opportunities. i thought he did well, the luck jsut wasnt there + the nigerian goalie had an explosion today.

argentinian defence was not as good though...and it seems nigerian football has acquired a style more like the argentine, with som pretty slick short passes in and near the penalty area rather than just kicking the ball blindly at the goal.
 

pla101prc

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I was very unimpressed by England. Here we have some of the highest pid players in the game all of whom play in one of worlds biggest leagues (UK Premier), playing a team that (all due respects) are still a minor footballing nations.

England should have won and by a healthy margin, instead that faffed about, should a much ball control as my gran after several sherries and usually managed to pass the ball to the other side. None of them seem to know how to run with the ball or tackle thus demonstrating the superior skills that justify they huge pay packets.

It does not bode well and makes an English World Cup victory look a very long bet tonight.

i thought the game was pretty even probably slightly in favour of the english. there were some good oppotunities by both sides. even though green's mistake there was just horrendous, he made a good save on altidore's break in the second half on a really close call so i think that about evens it out. man altidore was damn fast...

US defence early in the game was sloppy and not just for the gerrard goal, there were a few other occasions where they could have made it safer for the goalie but the didnt, they were just lucky the english didnt convert those into goals. but later on they played a pretty good game i would say they were not clearly outplayed by the english.
 

Scratch

Captain
Well, I think hardly has the World Cup ever been won by a team that played nice and enjoyable throughout the tournament. Actually a lot of later Champions have started a tournament not promising.
A lot of teams who (attempt to) play great soccer will eventually become somewhat tired towards the end, whereas other teams who didn't show that much can still put on something in the end. I guess that's a reason why a World Cup oftentimes starts out with actually not really enjoyable matches.
So a bad start is not by default a sign that a weak tournament will follow.
For the English, somewhere around the quaterfinals there has always been some issue were somebody would do something stupid or the team would not work together well costing them victory, somehow they are not a tournament team.
 

Mr T

Senior Member
I was very unimpressed by England. Here we have some of the highest pid players in the game all of whom play in one of worlds biggest leagues (UK Premier), playing a team that (all due respects) are still a minor footballing nations.

England should have won and by a healthy margin, instead that faffed about, should a much ball control as my gran after several sherries and usually managed to pass the ball to the other side. None of them seem to know how to run with the ball or tackle thus demonstrating the superior skills that justify they huge pay packets.

It does not bode well and makes an English World Cup victory look a very long bet tonight.

Sampan, that's nonsense. These days more Americans play football than American football - it's a popular sport there. Just because America isn't a footballing superpower doesn't mean they're a pushover. They play well in many competitions and deserve to be in the qualifiers.

But they didn't play that well and they were lucky to walk away with a draw. Not just because they were gifted a goal but because they were hammered so often by the England attack. There was not just some but repeated excellent play by the England team. Forget your gran, no one here could have played as well as they did.

The American defence was repeatedly moved out of position and/or otherwise given the run around. They got better but they were again lucky to get away with their Italian style of "defence", otherwise known as fouling Wayne Rooney whenever he went on an attack with the ball.

The scoreline did not reflect the game in any respect. If this was boxing it would have been a clear England win on points. For the very first game it's not ideal but hardly a disaster.
 

KYli

Brigadier
I was very unimpressed by England. Here we have some of the highest pid players in the game all of whom play in one of worlds biggest leagues (UK Premier), playing a team that (all due respects) are still a minor footballing nations.

England should have won and by a healthy margin, instead that faffed about, should a much ball control as my gran after several sherries and usually managed to pass the ball to the other side. None of them seem to know how to run with the ball or tackle thus demonstrating the superior skills that justify they huge pay packets.

It does not bode well and makes an English World Cup victory look a very long bet tonight.

Tactically, England still dominated the game, but individual players have not demonstrated their superior skills. Oh well, better luck next time. I don't see how England would encounter much difficulty to advance to quaterfinal.

As long as there is no Henry or Maradona:D, England would probably prevail to semifinal.
 
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