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b787
Captain
Let us see is China the only growing market?
was I wrong about people buying hours not buying the aircraft?
was I wrong when I said the B-737 type aircraft is the biggest market?
You can see Embraer sells more regional jet than private jets too?
Why you buy a big private jet when is better leasing it? what is the largest Market of course the one of the A-320 type aircraft
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SamuraiBlue
Captain
To my understanding from the information provided by Flight Global there is one problem with PRC aviation which is all air routes/control within mainland china is regulated by PLAAF and only allocate a limited amount of slots to airliners and even less to the private sector within tight routes. So unlike the US or Europe you can't file a flight plan on minute's notice and leave as soon as the run way is freed.
In such a highly regulated air space with few open slots for flight, I do not think there will be much market for private jets.
In such a highly regulated air space with few open slots for flight, I do not think there will be much market for private jets.
b787
Captain
b787
Captain
see link
The link is criminals also use private jets among them corrupt politicians
vesicles
Colonel
Hmmm... I can see that you have moved your goal post again...
That has never been your argument. Your argument has always been that China is too poor to be an effective market for business jets. As seen below:
We have never argued about whether China is THE only market for business jet. We had been arguing whether China can be A business jet market. As your quote clearly indicates, you have insisted that China is too poor to be a business jet market at all.
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Uhh... that's not your original argument either. Your initial argument has been it's so expensive to even rent a business jet, let alone buying them. This was why you painstakingly listed hourly rental rates of various private jets as shown below:
I see that, because I found evidence that the Chinese has been renting business jets like crazy, you felt compelled to move your goal post again... So now renting business jets is easy and cheap, I guess???
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I thought we were discussing business jet... What does airlines have anything to do with all this? I see that you are trying to bring up irrelevant stuff to muddy the discussion again...
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Not sure if you are familiar with competition debating. But when your opponent start asking weak and rhetorical questions like "was I wrong.......", that basically means he/she has realized that they have lost the debate and is desperately trying to save face.
That has never been your argument. Your argument has always been that China is too poor to be an effective market for business jets. As seen below:
We have never argued about whether China is THE only market for business jet. We had been arguing whether China can be A business jet market. As your quote clearly indicates, you have insisted that China is too poor to be a business jet market at all.
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Uhh... that's not your original argument either. Your initial argument has been it's so expensive to even rent a business jet, let alone buying them. This was why you painstakingly listed hourly rental rates of various private jets as shown below:
I see that, because I found evidence that the Chinese has been renting business jets like crazy, you felt compelled to move your goal post again... So now renting business jets is easy and cheap, I guess???
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I thought we were discussing business jet... What does airlines have anything to do with all this? I see that you are trying to bring up irrelevant stuff to muddy the discussion again...
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Not sure if you are familiar with competition debating. But when your opponent start asking weak and rhetorical questions like "was I wrong.......", that basically means he/she has realized that they have lost the debate and is desperately trying to save face.
vesicles
Colonel
Well, based on one of the articles that I cited above, it used to be an issue. However, with that said, even back in the 80's, China never prevented business jets from flying in China. They just provided an "escort". And it is no longer a problem.
b787
Captain
why do not you stop thinking China is the USA and Texas?
I understand why rich nations in Example Germany, England has less private jets than Brazil or Mexico, and why China does not need and will not have as many private jets, I know you want to say China is like the USA, but you are wrong.
China is a communist country, for starters, like i did mention and show, Drug dealers in Mexico have private jets for their business, thus a poor nation like Mexico has more private jets than China, who gets private jets too? Corrupt officials yes of course Corrupt officials, Mexico has a real problem with corruption, thus corrupt officials have private jets too.
You are too stubborn and proud, even rich people these days rent their Jets, A Hong Kong based company Vistajet is saying it.
Why the Chinese are going to pay USD $27000 for a 3 hours flight? why they will pay USD $48 million dollars for a single jet?
Of course, no one specially a rich business man will do that, they are usually cheap and frugal, they do not want to pay such things for their employees, but a corrupt official will, thus the Chinese government will do the same put in Jail corrupt government officials owning jets.
You can not see that because you want to equate China with the USA, China is Asian, it has another mentality, I know it, I live in Asia and I lived in the USA.
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PiSigma
"the engineer"
Yes.. Corrupt officials that try to hide their wealth buy showy private jets because communist big brother is watching.
Do you have have any idea how dumb that last post sounds? Mexico, and most of Latin america is way more corrupt than china.
China has the potential for getting private jets only is certain criteria are met. And they are open air space and business need.
I take a company private jet twice a week, I don't see what's the big deal. It is for business needs. Cost the company way less to own the plane over long run than buy commercial or rent.
b787
Captain
and where in China do you live? cause I am sure you live there, work there, and your communist boss let you fly it 2 times a week, i guess you fly on a US $9000 dollars an hour flight time jet, sure sure you live in China specially with that English proficiency
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