Whats the future of Flankers in plaaf

crobato said:

They already made a power station version of the engine and there is a commercial brochure on it too.

I don't really think they're in that of a hurry to do the WS-10A since Salyut appears to have given China enough support and incentive to continue with the AL-31F series for a while. Salyut has momentum behind it. Keeping the price low, the service good and proposing upgrades, Salyut is very serious in keeping the Chinese market to itself as long as possible. The bottomline is getting the fighters off the line regardless whether a Chinese or Russian engine is behind it.

In a way I think the WS-10A has already made its contribution if it forces Salyut to clean its act and act competitive.

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also, if you look at avic1 website, WS-10A (aka Taihang) is getting a lot of publicity. For something that is supposed to be so high priority, it's a little surprising that avic1 is promoting it as much as it is. Anyhow, I can only think that it did achieve its planned specs and is regarded by CMC as on schedule. Also, AL-31F may be used more right now, just because WS-10A is not mature like AL-31F. I'm sure after a while on a group of J-10/11, many of the small problems on WS-10A would be found and fixed.

At this point in time, there should be a limited number of J-11 (not J-10 however) with the WS-10A being used for initial operational trials, probably deployed with a number of selected regiments. I am guessing that the 1st Division is one of them. J-10 seems busy right now transitioning the TVC nozzled AL-31FN before it gets to the WS-10A. Going from the TVC nozzled AL-31FN to the WS-10A without TVC would be a downgrade on the J-10 and I don't think that would happen until China catches up on its TVC research. So until that happens, the J-10 is out of the picture with the WS-10A, even though it's documented that China is indeed working on its own TVC nozzle.

Recent report from KANWA appears that more J-11s appear in Tibet, which means Lanzhou MR. The numbers appear like 19th Division planes. Might suggest that the older Su-27s from the 19th Division may have moved to Lanzhou MR, and newer J-11s have taken their place in the 19th Division located in Jinan MR which is the east coast of China.

Recent report from KANWA appears that more J-11s appear in Tibet, which means Lanzhou MR. The numbers appear like 19th Division planes. Might suggest that the older Su-27s from the 19th Division may have moved to Lanzhou MR, and newer J-11s have taken their place in the 19th Division located in Jinan MR which is the east coast of China.

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Just a note here, the majority of Tibet lies in the Chengdu MR, rather than Lanzhou. (Although a small portion of Tibet do lie in the Lanzhou MR.)

There are J-11s assigned to the Chengdu MR, but that is at Chongging in the 33rd Division. That is more east of Chengdu, and further away from Tibet.

It seems to me that at least every one major MR has at least on J-11 or Su-27 regiment.

Shenyang MR - 1st Divsion
Jinan MR - 19th Division
Beijing MR - 7th Division
Nanjing MR - 14th Divison
Guangzhou MR - 2nd Division
Chengdu MR - 33rd Division
Lanzhou MR - 6th Division

When can we see J-11 carries PL-12??

Whats the latest on the J10C twin seat naval version.

asif and kilo..one line responses are not allowed in this forum. asif..there is already a J-10 thread in our forum.

As for the navalized two seat J-10. there is ,to my knowledge, no actual proof that this model is in R & D. Although I would not be surprised it it was.
All I have ever seen is a model of the potential navalized J-10. Here's a pic of that model...

bd popeye said:

asif and kilo..one line responses are not allowed in this forum. asif..there is already a J-10 thread in our forum.

As for the navalized two seat J-10. there is ,to my knowledge, no actual proof that this model is in R & D. Although I would not be surprised it it was.
All I have ever seen is a model of the potential navalized J-10. Here's a pic of that model...

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yeah, too many things in plaaf is up in the air right now. We all hear about J-11 naval version and J-10 naval version, but there is no where to check to know for sure. That's why I like PLAN far better. At least we can see the new pictures of 054A and 022 and even 071 getting built.

As for su-27/J-11, I don't really see that regiment number going up that much in the future, because some of the early su-27s will probably get stored up in a few years. The new J-11 will probably just be replacing them.

That's why I like PLAN far better. At least we can see the new pictures of 054A and 022 and even 071 getting built.

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I could not agree more. At least with the PLAN you can see some tangable proof of developments. It's hard to hide something like a ship.

I think the lack of information comming about the PLAAF R & D is a bummer as we use to say back in 'da day. I think the PLAAF sometimes treat their R & D on aircraft like the US use to do the "Skunk works" and other covert projects. Let's face it PLAAF fans is what ever the PLAAF has in development that advanced that it has to be cloaked in super-secrecry?

Can a brother see a picture of a aircraft?

Some of the old Su-27 might end up some place, either in storage or in a division located in the "back". More likely that would be the 6th Division in Lanzhou MR. Currently there is still older Su-27s---albeit much overhauled and repainted---in the 19th Division. The older Su-27s in the 2nd Division don't seem to be there anymore, and speculation goes, they all went to the 6th Division now, while that regiment in the 2nd Division goes all J-11.

I do expect the remaining Su-27s in the 19th Division to go the same way. There seems to be quite a number of them flying around though, which kind of debunks the large number of them crashing according to the Taiwan press theory. I would expect the Su-27 regiment in the 19th Division to go all J-11 if they have not done so already.

The 33rd Division in Chongging also gets new J-11s as their UBKs are transferred to other units.

I suspect that the one of the regiments of the 1st Division would be in line with new J-11s however, adding to the regiment that already has J-11s and the regiment already with J-8Fs. I believe the first J-11B regiment would be in the 1st Division. This division is located closest to Shenyang and appears to be where Shenyang AC's pet unit for all the new stuff.

The only regular "old" Su-27s that would still be in the eastward regiments would be the UBKs as they have a trainer purpose.